Can't trust Swarvegorilla - by Tynk

For the record: I never claimed I got any e-mail from Tynk at any time, nor
did I make references to Tynk's "fishing" e-mail. Gil's and Jan's "plan"
was sent to me and that person made no mention of Tynk's "fishing"
expedition. It may have been Tynk herself who sent me the information
concerning "the new plan".

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From: "Tynk"
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:53:48 -0700
Local: Sun 11 Mar 2007 12:53
Subject: Can't trust Swarvegorilla

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On rec.ponds MiMi (Reel McKoi) made mention of "An email from Tynk" about
what we
are doing.I "replied to author" on Swarvergorilla's post to me about being a
baby, etc and wanted to test to see if they were either MiMi, a
puppet, or to be trusted.
Obviously, they failed bigtime. It's either MiMi herself, or somebody
who knows her private email address and fed her my bullcrap.
I made up an email, yet made it sound good too. I added all sorts of
links to her posts in other screen names, etc.
I said "we're trying a new tactic...making fun of her". Of course this
wasn't true as none of us have had a pow wow about doing so. It was a
completely made up test email. I was fishing, so to speak.
Well...Swarve who ever they are, failed bigtime. All of a sudden Carol
is talking about (made 2 referrences to this email on the pond groups
and the aquaria misc group) how she knows the "new plan" and that she
got an email from Tynk.
I just wanted to give you folks the behind the scenes look at what she
and Swarvegorilla are up to.
So be careful what you say and to whome.
If I go "fishing" again, I'll let you guys in on it first though.

End
--


RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
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On Mar 31, 10:03�pm, "Reel McKoi" wrote:
For the record: *I never claimed I got any e-mail from Tynk at any time, nor
did I make references to Tynk's "fishing" e-mail. *Gil's and Jan's "plan"
was sent to me and that person made no mention of Tynk's "fishing"
expedition. *It may have been Tynk herself who sent me the information
concerning "the new plan".


Don't make things up.
You know damn well I didn't send you any email concerning "the new
plan".
Swarvegorilla did and you know it.
And damn right I sent Swarvegorilla a "test" email that WASN'T true in
order to see what they would do.
He/she ran right to you with it, just like I suspected they would.
There wasn't any plan or pow wow to make fun of you. It was made up.
You have my email to the closed group to them saying so. Something
that wasn't supposed to be made public, but has been thanks to your
stalker.
So what is your agenda is now reprinting all of our posts?
Why not the ones about ignoring you and discussing fish?
Why not print those?
Why not print the ones about Roy leaving you alone or not using such
foul language?
Why not reprint those too?

"Tynk" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 31, 10:03�pm, "Reel McKoi" wrote:
For the record: I never claimed I got any e-mail from Tynk at any time,
nor
did I make references to Tynk's "fishing" e-mail. Gil's and Jan's "plan"
was sent to me and that person made no mention of Tynk's "fishing"
expedition. It may have been Tynk herself who sent me the information
concerning "the new plan".


Don't make things up.

- This is a message posted by YOU to Gill's Google Group.

You know damn well I didn't send you any email concerning "the new
plan".

- How can I know that? I have no knowledge of your sneaky underhanded
"fishing expedition."

Swarvegorilla did and you know it.

- How do I know it was him and not you?

And damn right I sent Swarvegorilla a "test" email that WASN'T true in
order to see what they would do.
He/she ran right to you with it, just like I suspected they would.

- He/she did? Not to my knowledge.

There wasn't any plan or pow wow to make fun of you. It was made up.

- I never saw it. When I got were a bunch of posts you people thought you
were making in private, along with an URL for Gill Passman's "let's troll
Carol" NG plotting strategy on how to harass and troll me. What the hell
was the point of a group like that? It also appears Gill and Roy had a
serious falling out and she nuked many of her messages. And she claims "the
high moral road" for herself? What's wrong with all of you? I never saw
such lack of integrity and pure soul killing hate in my life.

You have my email to the closed group to them saying so.

- Which e-mail? All I received was the URL to Gill's hate group and a bunch
of hate-filled messages posted by you, Jan, Gill and Roy Huaer. Was it YOU
who sent me those emails?

Something
that wasn't supposed to be made public, but has been thanks to your
stalker.

- What are you talking about?

So what is your agenda is now reprinting all of our posts?
Why not the ones about ignoring you and discussing fish?

- Oh, plenty about ignoring me, how to troll and harass me and other crap,
but not one about fish was in the bunch.

Why not print those?
Why not print the ones about Roy leaving you alone or not using such
foul language?
Why not reprint those too?

- I'm posting here what I was sent. I saw nothing about him leaving me
alone. It's quite clear that several of you, unable to stop Roy's attacks
in 2005, started your own Google Group and fled. Then for some reason
several of you decided since you couldn't get rid of Roy, you might be able
to get rid of me and he'd stop attacking everyone. He held you all hostage
claiming if I left, he'd stop attacking everyone who posted here - as if it
was "my fault" he attacked and insulted everyone who dared to post here.
Not one of you had the sense to tell him to killfile me, or ignore me or
better yet - why didn't you all killfile him when he started the attacks on
everyone? I have never gotten an answer from one of you on those questions.
--

RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

In usual Carol flare.....
You twist things around, use editing to make something sound
different, etc.

Don't make things up.

- This is a message posted by YOU to Gill's Google Group.

The Don't make things up comment went to your comment about " It may
have been Tynk herself who sent me the information
concerning "the new plan".
This is what I was talking about when I said don't make things up.
You know damned well I didn't send you that.


You know damn well I didn't send you any email concerning "the new
plan".


- How can I know that? I have no knowledge of your sneaky
underhanded
"fishing expedition."

What a bull**** lie!
In one post you tell about how you know the "new plan" etc. It's on
REC.PONDS for anyone to see.
More twists trying to make something different.

And damn right I sent Swarvegorilla a "test" email that WASN'T true
in
order to see what they would do.
He/she ran right to you with it, just like I suspected they would.


- He/she did? Not to my knowledge.

REALLY??? You posted all about it on REC.PONDS!

You have my email to the closed group to them saying so.


- Which e-mail? All I received was the URL to Gill's hate group and a
bunch
of hate-filled messages posted by you, Jan, Gill and Roy Huaer. Was
it YOU
who sent me those emails?

I made a type o there. It wasn't an *email*, but a post explaining
what I sent to Swarvegorilla.....the email that he then sent right to
you like a good little puppy.

- What are you talking about?

There wasn't any plan or pow wow to make fun of you. It was made up.
You have my email to the closed group to them saying so. Something
that wasn't supposed to be made public, but has been thanks to your
stalker.
Roy made public a group that was closed to the public. A group that I
was invited to.
THAT'S what I'm talking about.


Why not print those?
Why not print the ones about Roy leaving you alone or not using such
foul language?
Why not reprint those too?


- I'm posting here what I was sent. I saw nothing about him leaving
me
alone.

Well isn't that just a little TOO convenient. How about you go there
and take a looksie at ALL the posts.
You see several asking him not to use such foul language, and to
ignore you.


It's quite clear that several of you, unable to stop Roy's attacks
in 2005, started your own Google Group and fled. Then for some
reason
several of you decided since you couldn't get rid of Roy, you might be
able
to get rid of me and he'd stop attacking everyone. He held you all
hostage
claiming if I left, he'd stop attacking everyone who posted here - as
if it
was "my fault" he attacked and insulted everyone who dared to post
here.
Not one of you had the sense to tell him to killfile me, or ignore me
or
better yet - why didn't you all killfile him when he started the
attacks on
everyone? I have never gotten an answer from one of you on those
questions.

The group was NOT created because we were unable to stop Roy's attacks
on you.
It was created because of YOU.
He never held us hostage, as you put it, and it is your fault he keeps
attacking you.
You bait him on every chance you get. You claim he's attacked and
insulted everyone who dare post here...he hasn't. Just you and a
couple others, but mainly just you.
You want an answer why I haven't killfiled you....because somebody has
to be able to see the nonsense you post about Bettas or other fish
that either is wrong, or incomplete. Somebody has to have the stones
to put up with your crap and this type of nonsense to either correct
your bad info or finish it for you.
Don't bother asking me to repeat what I have had to correct or finish
for you....you do the searching for it. It's still there for you to
find. Just keep going back a few years worth. You'll have plenty of
examples.

On Apr 1, 12:35�am, "Tynk" wrote:
In usual Carol flare.....
You twist things around, use editing to make something sound
different, etc.

Don't make things up.

- This is a message posted by YOU to Gill's Google Group.

The Don't make things up comment went to your comment about " It may
have been Tynk herself who sent me the information
concerning "the new plan".
This is what I was talking about when I said don't make things up.
You know damned well I didn't send you that.


You know damn well I didn't send you any email concerning "the new
plan".

- How can I know that? *I have no knowledge of your sneaky
underhanded
"fishing expedition."

What a bull**** lie!
In one post you tell about how you know the "new plan" etc. It's on
REC.PONDS for anyone to see.
More twists trying to make something different.

And damn right I sent Swarvegorilla a "test" email that WASN'T true
in
order to see what they would do.
He/she ran right to you with it, just like I suspected they would.

- He/she did? *Not to my knowledge.

REALLY??? You posted all about it on REC.PONDS!

You have my email to the closed group to *them saying so.

- *Which e-mail? All I received was the URL to Gill's hate group and a
bunch
of hate-filled messages posted by you, Jan, Gill and Roy Huaer. *Was
it YOU
who sent me those emails?

I made a type o there. It wasn't an *email*, but a post explaining
what I sent to Swarvegorilla.....the email that he then sent right to
you like a good little puppy.

*- What are you talking about?

There wasn't any plan or pow wow to make fun of you. It was made up.
You have my email to the closed group to *them saying so. Something
that wasn't supposed to be made public, but has been thanks to your
stalker.
*Roy made public a group that was closed to the public. A group that I
was invited to.
THAT'S what I'm talking about.


Why not print those?
Why not print the ones about Roy leaving you alone or not using such
foul language?
Why not reprint those too?

- I'm posting here what I was sent. *I saw nothing about him leaving
me
alone.

Well isn't that just a little TOO convenient. How about you go there
and take a looksie at ALL the posts.
You see several asking him not to use such foul language, and to
ignore you.


It's quite clear that several of you, *unable to stop Roy's attacks
in 2005, started your own Google Group and fled. *Then for some
reason
several of you decided since you couldn't get rid of Roy, you might be
able
to get rid of me and he'd stop attacking everyone. *He held you all
hostage
claiming if I left, he'd stop attacking everyone who posted here - as
if it
was "my fault" he attacked and insulted everyone who dared to post
here.
Not one of you had the sense to tell him to killfile me, or ignore me
or
better yet - why didn't you all killfile him when he started the
attacks on
everyone? *I have never gotten an answer from one of you on those
questions.

The group was NOT created because we were unable to stop Roy's attacks
on you.
It was created because of YOU.
He never held us hostage, as you put it, and it is your fault he keeps
attacking you.
You bait him on every chance you get. You claim he's attacked and
insulted everyone who dare post here...he hasn't. Just you and a
couple others, but mainly just you.
You want an answer why I haven't killfiled you....because somebody has
to be able to see the nonsense you post about Bettas or other fish
that either is wrong, or incomplete. Somebody has to have the stones
to put up with your crap and this type of nonsense to either correct
your bad info or finish it for you.
Don't bother asking me to repeat what I have had to correct or finish
for you....you do the searching for it. It's still there for you to
find. Just keep going back a few years worth. You'll have plenty of
examples.


You claim you "never saw it" when I spoke of "the plan" that you
commented on knowing all about on rec.ponds, yet here you claim you
never saw it....
Here's your post on rec.ponds:



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From: "Reel McKoi"
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:21:50 -0600
Local: Fri, Mar 9 2007 12:21 am
Subject: Water Lettuce - new growth
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"Tynk" wrote in message


s.com...

Stop cross posting constantly.
================================
One post is not constantly, thank you. It's on-topic so you have no
complaint.


BTW I'm aware of the new plan, so that wont work either. ;-)
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58

That was right after I emailed Swarvegorilla.
There are more too. You even mention me by name my dear. Yet you claim
you didn't know anything about it.
Again with the lying that can be proven with copying and pasting.
How many times do you want it to be proven?
Your only making yourself look bad. You're proving that you are a
liar.
I don't care really too much that the posts from the private group are
open for all to see.
Most people don't care for you, and would probably agree with most of
what was said about you.
Go read all of them. Roy has made it open for all to see, or have you
already and you don't want to admit it to seeing where I and Jan
openly ask Roy to stop being so foul mouthed in his replies to you?
I'm sure you don't want it out in the open where we asked him to
ignore you.
Of course not. You just re-post anything negative about you. But then
again, that is your specialty...all one sided, half the info, twists
and tricky editing.

"Tynk" wrote in message
ups.com...

In usual Carol flare.....
You twist things around, use editing to make something sound
different, etc.

There was no editing done on those posts. Anyone can go to Google and see
for themselves.


Don't make things up.

- This is a message posted by YOU to Gill's Google Group.


The Don't make things up comment went to your comment about " It may
have been Tynk herself who sent me the information
concerning "the new plan".
This is what I was talking about when I said don't make things up.
You know damned well I didn't send you that.

How can I know? You claim I t was Swauvegorilla. Why would he or she send
me anything? I don't even know the person aside from seeing his/her nym
here.



You know damn well I didn't send you any email concerning "the new
plan".


- How can I know that? I have no knowledge of your sneaky
underhanded
"fishing expedition."

What a bull**** lie!

The lies are from YOU because you all got exposed by Roy!!!!!!! Now you all
have to sweat to cover your butts..... I have no idea who send the
information because it was sent anonymously.

In one post you tell about how you know the "new plan" etc. It's on
REC.PONDS for anyone to see.
More twists trying to make something different.

Stop the BS already. There were several plans, first to get rid of Roy.
When that failed they thought getting rid of me would get rid of him. None
worked. I'm still here and he's still here. It appears he realized he was
being manipulated as I was manipulated.


And damn right I sent Swarvegorilla a "test" email that WASN'T true
in
order to see what they would do.
He/she ran right to you with it, just like I suspected they would.


- He/she did? Not to my knowledge.

REALLY??? You posted all about it on REC.PONDS!

Then take it up with him/her.


You have my email to the closed group to them saying so.


- Which e-mail? All I received was the URL to Gill's hate group and a
bunch
of hate-filled messages posted by you, Jan, Gill and Roy Huaer. Was
it YOU
who sent me those emails?


I made a type o there. It wasn't an *email*, but a post explaining
what I sent to Swarvegorilla.....the email that he then sent right to
you like a good little puppy.

If you're talking about the last plan that failed.... that was sent
anonymously as was the URL and your hate messages. Do the others know of
the nasty BS plans you hate filled people come up with to bait, provoke and
harasses me? To keep the group in turmoil?


- What are you talking about?

There wasn't any plan or pow wow to make fun of you. It was made up.
You have my email to the closed group to them saying so. Something
that wasn't supposed to be made public, but has been thanks to your
stalker.

My deranged "stalker" seems to be one of your best friends on Gill Passman's
hate group.

Roy made public a group that was closed to the public. A group that I
was invited to.
THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Why not print those?
Why not print the ones about Roy leaving you alone or not using such
foul language?
Why not reprint those too?


- I'm posting here what I was sent. I saw nothing about him leaving
me
alone.

Well isn't that just a little TOO convenient. How about you go there
and take a looksie at ALL the posts.
You see several asking him not to use such foul language, and to
ignore you.

Really? From the posts I saw you all egg each others hatred on like a group
of KKK nuts who just had an African American move into your neighborhood.



It's quite clear that several of you, unable to stop Roy's attacks
in 2005, started your own Google Group and fled. Then for some
reason
several of you decided since you couldn't get rid of Roy, you might be
able
to get rid of me and he'd stop attacking everyone. He held you all
hostage
claiming if I left, he'd stop attacking everyone who posted here - as
if it
was "my fault" he attacked and insulted everyone who dared to post
here.
Not one of you had the sense to tell him to killfile me, or ignore me
or
better yet - why didn't you all killfile him when he started the
attacks on
everyone? I have never gotten an answer from one of you on those
questions.


The group was NOT created because we were unable to stop Roy's attacks
on you.
It was created because of YOU.

Oh... you think I was uing the name "Roy" to post all that sexually explicit
filth and attacking and insulting everyone? Sorry, I never had Earthlink
for an ISP. They don't service this area.

He never held us hostage, as you put it, and it is your fault he keeps
attacking you.

It is? I bet you tell rape victim's it their fault they were raped, and
robbery victims it was their fault they were robbed.

You bait him on every chance you get. You claim he's attacked and
insulted everyone who dare post here...he hasn't. Just you and a
couple others, but mainly just you.

LIAR! He insulted Gail, Gill, Derek, Dick, Tara, Ed, Jen, Tom and many,
many more who fled these groups. And YOU yourself have alienated posters
who came here with your "know it all" attitude. You are clueless as to how
to communicate with someone who doesn't seem to hang on your every word.
You and Roy are a lot alike.


You want an answer why I haven't killfiled you....because somebody has
to be able to see the nonsense you post about Bettas or other fish
that either is wrong, or incomplete.

Here comes the BS from the group know-it-all. Too dumb to realize what
works for one person may not work for another. Do you also POLICE every web
forum about fish to make sure you approve of all the posters and what they
post?

Somebody has to have the stones
to put up with your crap and this type of nonsense to either correct
your bad info or finish it for you.

What an excuse to troll and harass someone. Not one person ever claimed I
have them any information or advice that killed or sickened their fish since
I've been around these groups - 11 years now. So you're so full of sh*t!
You just need an excuse to troll and harass me and this is the one you feel
people will buy - and make YOU look important.

Don't bother asking me to repeat what I have had to correct or finish
for you...

You *HAD* to with a gun at your back? Why aren't you on the web Forums
correcting and finishing information of the posters there?

..you do the searching for it. It's still there for you to
find. Just keep going back a few years worth. You'll have plenty of
examples.

Give it a rest. Your hatred is eating your guts out..........
--

RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
ISP: Hughes.net
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On 31 Mar 2007 21:20:39 -0700, "Tynk" wrote:

On Mar 31, 10:03?pm, "Reel McKoi" wrote:
For the record: never claimed I got any e-mail from Tynk at any time, nor
did I make references to Tynk's "fishing" e-mail. il's and Jan's "plan"
was sent to me and that person made no mention of Tynk's "fishing"
expedition. t may have been Tynk herself who sent me the information
concerning "the new plan".


Don't make things up.
You know damn well I didn't send you any email concerning "the new
plan".
Swarvegorilla did and you know it.
And damn right I sent Swarvegorilla a "test" email that WASN'T true in
order to see what they would do.
He/she ran right to you with it, just like I suspected they would.
There wasn't any plan or pow wow to make fun of you. It was made up.
You have my email to the closed group to them saying so. Something
that wasn't supposed to be made public, but has been thanks to your
stalker.

The old rule its best to keep ones mouth closed and eyes open, and
unless you do not want something to bit you in the ass then do not say
anything ever........

So what is your agenda is now reprinting all of our posts?

Time will tell I am sure!

Why not the ones about ignoring you and discussing fish?

Still researching them I assume

Why not print those?
No need to print them, post them an dif the person reading them wants
a copy they can print their own copy.

Why not print the ones about Roy leaving you alone or not using such
foul language?

Read answer to above....
Why not reprint those too?



More on the way, yep lots more good info just to show that all the so
called troubles in these aquaria groups was not the brain storm or
hand of just 2 or three folks like originally accused.............






-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"~Windsong~" wrote in message
...
More on the way, yep lots more good info just to show that all the so
called troubles in these aquaria groups was not the brain storm or
hand of just 2 or three folks like originally accused.............
===================================
I can tell you - there were indeed more than 2 or 3 involved in this little
"game". We've both been manipulated. I gave my word I wouldn't reveal who
they are are so I wont. It wouldn't help the situation to reveal their
identities.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

No need to reveal their names, I already know......


On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:40:17 -0500, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:


"~Windsong~" wrote in message
m...
More on the way, yep lots more good info just to show that all the so
called troubles in these aquaria groups was not the brain storm or
hand of just 2 or three folks like originally accused.............
===================================
I can tell you - there were indeed more than 2 or 3 involved in this little
"game". We've both been manipulated. I gave my word I wouldn't reveal who
they are are so I wont. It wouldn't help the situation to reveal their
identities.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On Apr 1, 3:50?am, "Reel McKoi" wrote:


LOL...
Thanks for dancing so well once again Carol.
What a muppet you are.

Your entire reply was completley typical of you. No asnwers, all silly
double speak and subjects that made no sense or had anything to do
with what you were replying to.
You did exactly what anyone would have expected you to do.
Thanks!