Apistasia Wimp

wrote on 5/27/2007 10:01 AM:

Berghia are a great solution to aiptasia problems in the right tanks
where they are a good fit. We've heard plenty of feedback that berghia
have solved people's aiptasia problems.


Burgia nudibranches (actualy scientist have given it
a different name), are the safest form of aiptasi
control, in that they will harm nothing else, and
they multiply like rabbits, and they will gang up on
an aiptasi and kill the whole thing no mater how
large the aiptasia is, but they often do not survive
in the reef tank. The above statement makes it look
like the percentage of burgia method success is
higher than it really is.

We've also heard a ton of feedback that Joe's Juice made their
aiptasia problems worse. So our advice is to siphon away any aiptasia
on which you apply Joe's Juice. Any of the pieces of aiptasia that
break off the aiptasia you put the juice on can make new aiptasia. The
foot of the aiptasia, if not destroyed, can regrow as well.

Peppermints are hit and miss. They must be the right kind of
peppermint (most stores don't really know what they have), they prefer
to eat fish food and they typically eat only the smaller aiptasia
assuming you have the right species of shrimp.

Copperbanded butterflyfish are hard to acclimate. It's not unusual for
people to try two or three before they get one to live for more than a
week.

Actually it's a matter of keeping it alive long
term, not short term. 1 week is not very long.


If the fish lives, it's a crap shoot as to if they will eat
aiptasia.

That's because people don't know the trick to get
them to start eating them.

However, copper banded butterfly fish also like to
eat all your worms, including feather dusters, and
star polyps, and other corals as well. But most
corals are safe.


If you are considering berghia, don't get peppermint shrimp. They are
predators.


Yep they are, and many other things will kill them
as well. Even clown fish have been known to kill
them just to protect their anemone even though it
won't eat their anemone.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


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On 27 May 2007 08:01:38 -0700, wrote:


Berghia are a great solution to aiptasia problems in the right tanks
where they are a good fit. We've heard plenty of feedback that berghia
have solved people's aiptasia problems.

We've also heard a ton of feedback that Joe's Juice made their
aiptasia problems worse. So our advice is to siphon away any aiptasia
on which you apply Joe's Juice. Any of the pieces of aiptasia that
break off the aiptasia you put the juice on can make new aiptasia. The
foot of the aiptasia, if not destroyed, can regrow as well.

Peppermints are hit and miss. They must be the right kind of
peppermint (most stores don't really know what they have), they prefer
to eat fish food and they typically eat only the smaller aiptasia
assuming you have the right species of shrimp.

Copperbanded butterflyfish are hard to acclimate. It's not unusual for
people to try two or three before they get one to live for more than a
week. If the fish lives, it's a crap shoot as to if they will eat
aiptasia.

If you are considering berghia, don't get peppermint shrimp. They are
predators.


Hopefully you won't take my last post as an attack on you, I assure
you it isn't.

You are wrong about peppermints being hit or miss, they are 100%
effective in my experience...the problems reported are from camel
shrimp who eat everything but aptasia. How someone can't tell the
difference is beyond me.

I have often wondered if a peppermint would eat an aptasia, since they
look quite similar when they are full after a big meal, but I could
never bring myself to actually try it because I assumed they would eat
em.

As far as a suitable tank, well my experience is you can't fit enough
aptasias in a tank to make it suitable. I have tried a variety of ways
to create a self sustaining aptasia/bergia environment, and I always
have to supplement the aptasias with either home grown or wild caught
because they go to the smaller ones first and leave nothing for the
microscopic larva to eat.

They will eat them all but a big one, which always starts the aptasia
cycle again. I know this as a fact, because it is how I grow more
aptasias, and they will always gravitate towards the smaller ones
first assuring nothing for the larva if you don't get them all out.

I have four tanks devoted to this project and if I felt they were
suitable, I would have started selling them months ago. As you must
know, with a good food supply it is trivial to have 100 ready in 30
days.

I have nothing against people who do sell them, I had originally
intended to do the same thing. I have shifted my breeding focus to
peppermints even though I can get them most of the year from the wild
for free. I really feel they are a hundred times better for this
problem...which isn't that big of a problem anyway IMO.

I have probably screwed around with aptasias more than anyone in a
variety of attempts to BOOST their reproduction rate and they just
don't grow all that fast. When I find any in my display tanks, I
extract them with forceps and nothing ever sprouts from the base.

I rip them from the glass and it is 50/50 whether another one will
even sprout. I chopped them up and tried to make 100, all that
happened is they slimed the water and rotted...

I have even hit them with low doses of joes juice because of the
reports from people, and it just stunted their growth with no joy on a
massive outbreak.

I have found the very best way to get them (aptasia) to reproduce is
keep them in the dark for a month, but that is a pain in the ass for
me and messes up the action I have going.

I have been considering selling viable egg swirls, since I cull most
of them anyway, but without preparing a tank full of microscopic
aptasias or chopping and feeding them every freaking day with a scope
it is next to impossible to raise them from an egg IME. I doubt many
people would have success.

I am glad someone is out there supplying them, because they make a
very cool pet, I just found them ineffective in my tanks...and I
always have aptasia because 99% of my stuff comes from the Keys, home
of the bergias and aptasias.

My vote goes to peppermint shrimp in case anyone who made it this far
down didn't take that from what I have already written. It is what
I use and I have a steady supply of nudis for free.

Please don't let any of this persuade anyone from buying bergias if
you have predators who will eat the shrimp, they are very neat to
watch and pretty easy to raise....don't cry when your $60 worth of
bergias disappear into the rocks, never to be seen again and your
aptasias are flourishing, you have been warned.

BTW: They live about 60 days from start to finish, and if you don't
have a TON of microscopic aptasia the bloodline will end.

The trick to getting the copper banded butterfly to
eat the aiptasia, is to pester the aiptasia, and
torture the aiptasia. This will get the coper banded
butterfly interested and it will start eating them.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


StringerBell wrote on 5/23/2007 3:45 PM:
Hey people,

I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some additive.
How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
Maybe a natural predator?
My Copperband never took a bite,

So you call the aiptasia names? show it pictures of better looking
anemones?

Hey Wayne, last week my digitada started changing back to the orange color
it's supposed to be. (You may remember my thread a couple months back.) But
last week a bought some pulsating xenias, 3 small patches on a small rock,
and they aren't making it. I'll save this for another thread, another
time.

Bryan



"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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The trick to getting the copper banded butterfly to eat the aiptasia, is
to pester the aiptasia, and torture the aiptasia. This will get the coper
banded butterfly interested and it will start eating them.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


StringerBell wrote on 5/23/2007 3:45 PM:
Hey people,

I went out and got the Joes Juice--- But I just cant bring myself to stab
these suckers. I realize we are playing G*D with a host of organisms on a
regular basis----but this is`nt detached like just pouring in some
additive.
How bad can the Apistasia thing get?
Is there a more passive way of getting rid of these critters?
Maybe a natural predator?
My Copperband never took a bite,

i suggest you go with the shrimp. I have tried joe's juice twice. both
times it killed em off but in no time at all they were back. they seemed to
be seeding from one rock but now theyre on nearly every rock.
i think in my case the shrimp would keep them under control for longer.
HTH
Robin

What happened pondmeister, are you consulting your dictionary to try
and make a post someone can understand???
I sure hope so, because every one of your posts has looked like it was
written by a third grader.

Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


kryppy@. wrote on 5/27/2007 3:24 PM:
What happened pondmeister, are you consulting your dictionary to try
and make a post someone can understand???
I sure hope so, because every one of your posts has looked like it was
written by a third grader.





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On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.


Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
to do it.

This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
see some action here. Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
just makes them post more and nymshift.

Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise.

Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
reply to me.

Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
queer who is afraid to reply.

I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though.

Dream on asshole dream on... your doing just what I want you to do.
Afterall I OWN you dumbass!

Check outy rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc, as well as
rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants, rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish and
rec.ponds your not even close to where I hang my hat faggot ass!

Your ****ing of Misses Wayne Salle and Pszemol not me. Nothng more I
like than having a dumbass on my fshing line even if it nly lasts for
a post or two or a year or more.Bring it on asshole I can handle it.



On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:50:21 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:

On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.


Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
to do it.

This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
see some action here. Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
just makes them post more and nymshift.

Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise.

Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
reply to me.

Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
queer who is afraid to reply.

I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though.









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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:56:04 -0500, Pondmeister
wrote:

Dream on asshole dream on... your doing just what I want you to do.
Afterall I OWN you dumbass!

Check outy rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc, as well as
rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants, rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish and
rec.ponds your not even close to where I hang my hat faggot ass!

Your ****ing of Misses Wayne Salle and Pszemol not me. Nothng more I
like than having a dumbass on my fshing line even if it nly lasts for
a post or two or a year or more.Bring it on asshole I can handle it.

I am going to visit where you seem to only be able to dream of. I will
make you smile today, without the condom it normally takes.





On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:50:21 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:

On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.


Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
to do it.

This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
see some action here. Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
just makes them post more and nymshift.

Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise.

Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
reply to me.

Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
queer who is afraid to reply.

I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though.









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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!