First fish suggestions...

Chromis are aggrssive towards other fish with similar body styles. I have
one, he leaves my other fish alone, but when I had damels in there my
Chromis killed him, he also killed my blemmy and just about everything else
he could beat up. He does fine in a tank with bigger fish, no so good when
he's the bigger fish


"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Yea, I like the chromis too. They are a lower aggressive damsel.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


swarvegorilla wrote on 7/2/2007 11:37 AM:
yep he is.
That sed though
the suggestion of chromis was a good one.
I like the blues myself
lose the odd one to other fish eating them
But they are nice and subtle and compared to damsels they are gents!


"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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You'r an idiot.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Inabón Yunes wrote on 6/27/2007 10:40 PM:
Your lack of knowledge on how the Nitrogen cycle works is legendary in
this forum.
I am not going to argue with such a person. I felt tempted to give you
the necessary information to answer your ignorance but, heck, I charge
people for that. Read more and get out of Wayne's World for a change.
iy
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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I understood your post perfectly. You said

"The best
way to get rid of unwanted nitrogen in your tank is to harvest algae
manually not to have the vegetarians turn them back into the cycle."

It's too bad that you have not realized that the algae grazers' poop
helps encourage denitrification in the sand bed. And helps to feed the
fauna in the sand bed.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Inabón Yunes wrote on 6/26/2007 8:20 PM:
You misunderstood my post, as usual...
Read again his question and my answer.
I know, I know, you are slow but, what can we do?
Actually, read the subject of this post, poor Wayne.
iy
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Having algae eaters in the aquarium is good. The more you can make
the aquarium work for you, the better. The idea of not putting algae
eaters in an aquarium so that you can remove the algae yourself is
absurd. If one wants to set up a refugium set that up for the
purpose of algae extract, that's find and dandy, but not putting
algae eaters in the reef tank so that you can manually remove the
algae is absurd.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Inabón Yunes wrote on 6/25/2007 9:29 PM:
In following replies to your post the Lawnmower Blenny was
suggested but after a few years experimenting with controling
nitrates naturaly in my tank, I found that vegetarians contribute
more to increase levels of nitrates in your tank.
You see, the nitrogen cycle changes ammonnia to nitrites, both
toxic, then the nitrites get transformed to nitrates. On this
stage is when nitrogen is less toxic and easily absorbed by algae.
If a Blenny is to eat the algae, it gets transformed again to
Ammonnia and the cycle starts again. The best way to get rid of
unwanted nitrogen in your tank is to harvest algae manually not to
have the vegetarians turn them back into the cycle.
Blennies are great fish and will eat almost any flake food. I have
to keep a refugium where I extract the algae myself.
Another sturdy species is the Clarks Clownfish.

iy
"Aroon" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi,

I was wondering whether anyone has a suggestion for a cool first
fish
to add to my sal****er tank.

This is my first SW tank, having kept small and big fw tanks all
my
life. Tank cycled for a month, and i started added critters last
week.

The current inhabitats are hermit crabs (10 red legged), snails (1
turbo and 5 bumble bee), and an Emerald crab.
I had a surge of algae a week after my tank finished cycling, and
am
trying to get this under control with these cleaners. I would like
to
add fish soon.

My near-term goal (next 6-months) is to add 1 clown fish, 1 goby,
and
1 six line wrasse.

I thought it would be a good idea to start with a reasonably
priced,
hardy fish to start.

I have 50 lbs of live rock in a 58g. all my nitrogen params are
stable, and where they should be.

Temp is 82, ph 8.4, alk 2.6, calcium 450.

If you have any suggestions, I would be interested in hearing
friom
you.

Thanks, Aroon

Peter Pan wrote:
Chromis are aggrssive towards other fish with similar body styles. I have
one, he leaves my other fish alone, but when I had damels in there my
Chromis killed him, he also killed my blemmy and just about everything else
he could beat up. He does fine in a tank with bigger fish, no so good when
he's the bigger fish


Interesting as all my research indicated that they are a peaceful fish
but did say best kept in a school of at least 3 - I've got 6. The only
other occupants are 2 Benggai Cardinals and they pretty much ignore
eachother. I wonder if yours was aggressive as he is solitary? Of course
mine may become more aggressive as I add more fish.

Just a thought
Gill

Peter pan the peter licker has his ****ing head up his ass as usual.
Don't have a ****ing clue about what the hell he is talking about,
Just like ****y Pants Pszemol and Mr. Reef Wayne Salle the
dumb****........On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:33:25 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

Peter Pan wrote:
Chromis are aggrssive towards other fish with similar body styles. I have
one, he leaves my other fish alone, but when I had damels in there my
Chromis killed him, he also killed my blemmy and just about everything else
he could beat up. He does fine in a tank with bigger fish, no so good when
he's the bigger fish


Interesting as all my research indicated that they are a peaceful fish
but did say best kept in a school of at least 3 - I've got 6. The only
other occupants are 2 Benggai Cardinals and they pretty much ignore
eachother. I wonder if yours was aggressive as he is solitary? Of course
mine may become more aggressive as I add more fish.

Just a thought
Gill

Who really cares Kurt.Your as much of a dumbass as the rest of the
idiots in this group.......I bet yu belong to yet another of Gills
hate groups huh? Your probably second in command to Peter who is the
head pecker checker.


On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:41:14 -0400, KurtG
wrote:

Gill Passman of Hate Groups INC. , LLC wrote:
a peaceful fish
but did say best kept in a school of at least 3 - I've got 6.

I think it's hit or miss on the peaceful schooling fish story. Some
people get along with them, but others have their chromis dwindle to
only one or two, and they can be aggressive with tank mates. It seems
to help if there are semi-aggressive fish in the tank which forces them
to huddle together and not go into annihilation mode.

The only thing they have going for them is that they are cheap. I know
a wholesaler that sells them for $1/piece.

Gill Passman wrote:
a peaceful fish
but did say best kept in a school of at least 3 - I've got 6.

I think it's hit or miss on the peaceful schooling fish story. Some
people get along with them, but others have their chromis dwindle to
only one or two, and they can be aggressive with tank mates. It seems
to help if there are semi-aggressive fish in the tank which forces them
to huddle together and not go into annihilation mode.

The only thing they have going for them is that they are cheap. I know
a wholesaler that sells them for $1/piece.

KurtG wrote:


I think it's hit or miss on the peaceful schooling fish story. Some
people get along with them, but others have their chromis dwindle to
only one or two, and they can be aggressive with tank mates. It seems
to help if there are semi-aggressive fish in the tank which forces them
to huddle together and not go into annihilation mode.

The only thing they have going for them is that they are cheap. I know
a wholesaler that sells them for $1/piece.

I might be being simplistic here but why not replace the losses and
maintain the school as presumably they have already been factored into
the stocking equation? I can see how a solitary fish might turn on it's
tank mates. Obviously, introducing adult chromis into the mix might end
in tears with a potential competition to be alpha fish but surely there
wouldn't be so much of an issue with adding smaller fish into the school
that will naturally take their place at the bottom of the pecking order?

But just me making a supposition based on keeping freshwater fish
(cichlids in particular) rather than being based on my limited
experience with chromis.

Gill

Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't.

Aint fish psychology fun :-)

I had a pair of clarky clowns. I decided to add a
smaller one. Then there was the bigger one, medium
one, and the smaller one (just added). The medium
one did not like the smaller one at all, and was
very agressive to it. The bigger one (female) did
not have any problem with the smaller one. As time
went on, the big one started liking the smaller one,
and the medium one was getting more and more
agressive towards the smaller one, then the bigger
one started really liking the smaller one, and was
chasing the medium one away, and then eventualy
killed the medium one, and paired up with the
smaller one.

I like blue fined damsels, they get big and dark
dark blue. People that have two of them in a tank
will usually have problems with them picking on each
other, and the other tank mates, but often when they
remove one of them, everything is fine.

There are just so many factors that determine how
well fish will get along, including individual
temperament.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Gill Passman wrote on 7/3/2007 2:19 PM:
I might be being simplistic here but why not replace the losses and
maintain the school as presumably they have already been factored into
the stocking equation? I can see how a solitary fish might turn on it's
tank mates. Obviously, introducing adult chromis into the mix might end
in tears with a potential competition to be alpha fish but surely there
wouldn't be so much of an issue with adding smaller fish into the school
that will naturally take their place at the bottom of the pecking order?

All that aside.
I have plenty of damsel and wrasse and surgeon and blenny etc
My chromis are the best behaved fish of all.
All reef animals have a mean streak, it's how they survive such a hostile
environment.
With plenty of room and territory to school around, chromis are peaceful eye
candy.
keeping them solo is kinda cruel and at the very least means ya miss out on
watching the school interact.
fish compat sure is confusing sometimes.....





"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't.

Aint fish psychology fun :-)

I had a pair of clarky clowns. I decided to add a smaller one. Then there
was the bigger one, medium one, and the smaller one (just added). The
medium one did not like the smaller one at all, and was very agressive to
it. The bigger one (female) did not have any problem with the smaller one.
As time went on, the big one started liking the smaller one, and the
medium one was getting more and more agressive towards the smaller one,
then the bigger one started really liking the smaller one, and was chasing
the medium one away, and then eventualy killed the medium one, and paired
up with the smaller one.

I like blue fined damsels, they get big and dark dark blue. People that
have two of them in a tank will usually have problems with them picking on
each other, and the other tank mates, but often when they remove one of
them, everything is fine.

There are just so many factors that determine how well fish will get
along, including individual temperament.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Gill Passman wrote on 7/3/2007 2:19 PM:
I might be being simplistic here but why not replace the losses and
maintain the school as presumably they have already been factored into
the stocking equation? I can see how a solitary fish might turn on it's
tank mates. Obviously, introducing adult chromis into the mix might end
in tears with a potential competition to be alpha fish but surely there
wouldn't be so much of an issue with adding smaller fish into the school
that will naturally take their place at the bottom of the pecking order?

I like damsels, they are very energetic, however the manage to kill
anything they could in my first tank. Even bite coral.

If you plan to have aggressive fish, it is a great option. If not,
anything else must be bigger than them.

I had a coral beauty which was twice the size of my meanest damsell, he
still managed to fatally hurt the CB.
Not to mention the Pajama Cardinal which ended up with no fins and half of
his body.

FYI, I got another CB put it in a plastic bottle as bait. The damsell when
in and the CB out.

Damsel is no longer in the tank, I released him to the ocean and pull the
chain....gargle...gargle...

At leat that's what they say/did in NEMO, lol.

My advise, get pretty not aggresive fish.

Ruben


"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
u...
All that aside.
I have plenty of damsel and wrasse and surgeon and blenny etc
My chromis are the best behaved fish of all.
All reef animals have a mean streak, it's how they survive such a hostile
environment.
With plenty of room and territory to school around, chromis are peaceful
eye
candy.
keeping them solo is kinda cruel and at the very least means ya miss out
on
watching the school interact.
fish compat sure is confusing sometimes.....





"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't.

Aint fish psychology fun :-)

I had a pair of clarky clowns. I decided to add a smaller one. Then
there
was the bigger one, medium one, and the smaller one (just added). The
medium one did not like the smaller one at all, and was very agressive
to
it. The bigger one (female) did not have any problem with the smaller
one.
As time went on, the big one started liking the smaller one, and the
medium one was getting more and more agressive towards the smaller one,
then the bigger one started really liking the smaller one, and was
chasing
the medium one away, and then eventualy killed the medium one, and
paired
up with the smaller one.

I like blue fined damsels, they get big and dark dark blue. People that
have two of them in a tank will usually have problems with them picking
on
each other, and the other tank mates, but often when they remove one of
them, everything is fine.

There are just so many factors that determine how well fish will get
along, including individual temperament.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Gill Passman wrote on 7/3/2007 2:19 PM:
I might be being simplistic here but why not replace the losses and
maintain the school as presumably they have already been factored into
the stocking equation? I can see how a solitary fish might turn on it's
tank mates. Obviously, introducing adult chromis into the mix might end
in tears with a potential competition to be alpha fish but surely there
wouldn't be so much of an issue with adding smaller fish into the
school
that will naturally take their place at the bottom of the pecking
order?

Wayne Sallee wrote:
I like blue fined damsels, they get big and dark dark blue.

I had to remove one. It was beating up my mandarin on a daily basis.
After a month, I put him back in and he settled down.

As you say, midnight blue. It's amazing that it will turn back to a
silver color when in a tank with white base rock.

--Kurt