Zoo's toxicity

I doubt that McDonald's employees say that.
Having it preprinted on a container is different.

And since fish bags are for all things, that method
would not work.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


RubenD wrote on 7/4/2007 6:57 PM:
I understand what you are saying.

But a simple :"That's toxic and might or might not kill you" would be
appropiate.

McDonald's does after a lawsuit about their "HOT" coffee.

I'm not saying I'd rather been coffee burned than killed, I just wants a
little short warning so I could decide to take the risk.

That's all.

Disclosure.

Ruben





"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
If your LFS told everyone everything that could go
wrong with your tank, they would not have time to
sell anything to anybody. That's what books are for.

I would not worry about any buildup effects. As for
the fish still swimming around, you could try this:
take some zoos and stick them in the blender, then
dump them in your reef tank. I bet your fish would
not be swimming around very long then :-) Even a lot
of corals and gorgonias have a strong somewhat toxic
smell to them.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


RubenD wrote on 7/4/2007 3:55 PM:
I'm sure everytime I clean my tank (BTW, it's acrylic so it is a PAIN)
and
the zoo's start closing up, some toxin might be release into the water,
which later is evaporated by my metal halides.

My concern is, Am I or are you breathing harmful fumes? Does the
skimmer
clean the water from the toxin?

If they are so lethal, why is my fish still swimming? Anyways, he's
replaceable, I'm not.

I'm surprise I was never told about this at the LFS, even McDonald's
warn
you about hot coffee.

What about long term exposure? Aren't you worry one day you get a
heart/pulmonary failure, and even then most DR's will rule out your
reef
tank?

I'm not getting dramatic, just wanted you see from a different angle.

Once I found out about this, my zoo's have started to multiply like
crazy.
Even the one that were somehow dying are coming back.

They know I know.....=)

Ruben






"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Yea some are more toxic than others, but for most
people, simply handling them is not going to cause a
problem. But yea, you don't want to make Glade
Plug-Ins out of them :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Gill Passman wrote on 7/4/2007 4:51 AM:
RubenD wrote:
Any comments on that?

Follow this link and read this:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1083843

I'm not overreacting, I'm just concern.


I've read similar articles regarding the toxicity of zoos but have
never
seen any notices regarding this in any of the LFS's I frequent, even
though they generally clearly mark stuff as toxic if it is, nor seen
them take any particular precautions when handling them. I wonder if
the
laid back attitude to them is because they are so common. I also
wonder
if some species are more toxic than others and whether the everyday
button polyps on sale are of the less toxic variety. From reading the
post it sounded as if the OP was trying to rid himself of "pest" zoos
from his LR......

Gill

If you do not listen to MIss Wayne she gets her panties all in a wad
and gets sulled up and may dissapear for a few days............heaven
forbide.....


On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:10:37 -0400, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

I doubt that McDonald's employees say that.
Having it preprinted on a container is different.

And since fish bags are for all things, that method
would not work.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


RubenD wrote on 7/4/2007 6:57 PM:
I understand what you are saying.

But a simple :"That's toxic and might or might not kill you" would be
appropiate.

McDonald's does after a lawsuit about their "HOT" coffee.

I'm not saying I'd rather been coffee burned than killed, I just wants a
little short warning so I could decide to take the risk.

That's all.

Disclosure.

Ruben





"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
If your LFS told everyone everything that could go
wrong with your tank, they would not have time to
sell anything to anybody. That's what books are for.

I would not worry about any buildup effects. As for
the fish still swimming around, you could try this:
take some zoos and stick them in the blender, then
dump them in your reef tank. I bet your fish would
not be swimming around very long then :-) Even a lot
of corals and gorgonias have a strong somewhat toxic
smell to them.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


RubenD wrote on 7/4/2007 3:55 PM:
I'm sure everytime I clean my tank (BTW, it's acrylic so it is a PAIN)
and
the zoo's start closing up, some toxin might be release into the water,
which later is evaporated by my metal halides.

My concern is, Am I or are you breathing harmful fumes? Does the
skimmer
clean the water from the toxin?

If they are so lethal, why is my fish still swimming? Anyways, he's
replaceable, I'm not.

I'm surprise I was never told about this at the LFS, even McDonald's
warn
you about hot coffee.

What about long term exposure? Aren't you worry one day you get a
heart/pulmonary failure, and even then most DR's will rule out your
reef
tank?

I'm not getting dramatic, just wanted you see from a different angle.

Once I found out about this, my zoo's have started to multiply like
crazy.
Even the one that were somehow dying are coming back.

They know I know.....=)

Ruben






"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Yea some are more toxic than others, but for most
people, simply handling them is not going to cause a
problem. But yea, you don't want to make Glade
Plug-Ins out of them :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Gill Passman wrote on 7/4/2007 4:51 AM:
RubenD wrote:
Any comments on that?

Follow this link and read this:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1083843

I'm not overreacting, I'm just concern.


I've read similar articles regarding the toxicity of zoos but have
never
seen any notices regarding this in any of the LFS's I frequent, even
though they generally clearly mark stuff as toxic if it is, nor seen
them take any particular precautions when handling them. I wonder if
the
laid back attitude to them is because they are so common. I also
wonder
if some species are more toxic than others and whether the everyday
button polyps on sale are of the less toxic variety. From reading the
post it sounded as if the OP was trying to rid himself of "pest" zoos
from his LR......

Gill

Wayne Sallee wrote:
I doubt that McDonald's employees say that.
Having it preprinted on a container is different.

And since fish bags are for all things, that method would not work.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



The only coral I was warned against was my Hammer coral and was told to
make sure I get it to retract before moving it as it could deliver a
nasty sting. Although not true of all corals, I treat them all as if
they could possibly be toxic or at least capable of giving a nasty
sting.....but really it is just a matter of common sense and research. I
certainly would not handle any corals if I had a cut on my hand, or even
put my hand in the tank. I've never seen any warnings on anenomes or sea
urchins either but they could be equally painful IIRC the stings are
also toxic.

Gill

PS Unless iced isn't it normal to expect coffee to be hot? :-)

I know, but leaving you reef passion aside, don't you guys feel a little
worry about this?
Just be objective, no bussiness minded or defensive. WE all spent a great
deal of time on building this wonder, it's our pet,
but is it worth the risk. Before I didn't know, I can point fingers to
those who didn't warn me, but I'm not.
I read on reefcentral this zoo toxin is listed as a bio weapon.
Frankly, I don't need one of those in my home, do you?

I'm planning to remove all my zoo's, but I wonder if other coral contain the
same toxin, because we know they all have toxins as a defense mechanism but
no the deadly type as the zooanthids.

I can have a less lethal reef tank, you know, for peace of mind =)

Thanks for your replies, somewhat I found them helpful.

Ruben



"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Wayne Sallee wrote:
I doubt that McDonald's employees say that.
Having it preprinted on a container is different.

And since fish bags are for all things, that method would not work.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



The only coral I was warned against was my Hammer coral and was told to
make sure I get it to retract before moving it as it could deliver a
nasty sting. Although not true of all corals, I treat them all as if
they could possibly be toxic or at least capable of giving a nasty
sting.....but really it is just a matter of common sense and research. I
certainly would not handle any corals if I had a cut on my hand, or even
put my hand in the tank. I've never seen any warnings on anenomes or sea
urchins either but they could be equally painful IIRC the stings are
also toxic.

Gill

PS Unless iced isn't it normal to expect coffee to be hot? :-)

RubenD wrote:
I know, but leaving you reef passion aside, don't you guys feel a little
worry about this?
Just be objective, no bussiness minded or defensive. WE all spent a great
deal of time on building this wonder, it's our pet,
but is it worth the risk. Before I didn't know, I can point fingers to
those who didn't warn me, but I'm not.
I read on reefcentral this zoo toxin is listed as a bio weapon.
Frankly, I don't need one of those in my home, do you?

I'm planning to remove all my zoo's, but I wonder if other coral contain the
same toxin, because we know they all have toxins as a defense mechanism but
no the deadly type as the zooanthids.

I can have a less lethal reef tank, you know, for peace of mind =)

Thanks for your replies, somewhat I found them helpful.

Ruben




I sympathise with your view point......I've chosen to keep my zoos and
have actually purchased more but temper this with an awareness of the
possible toxic nature of them......I would suggest that you do some
googling on all of your corals for toxicity - I did on mine this
afternoon....and then make an educated judgement and risk assessment - I
presume you are not about to pour boiling water over your zoos and then
inhale the fumes like the poor poster on reefcentral....and are more
aware now if you wish to fragment the colonies that you need to protect
yourself.

I agree that there is a case for the toxic nature of some common corals
to be more generally known....but to a certain degree we also need to
make ourselves aware of any risks and how to avoid them or diminish
them. Having read about possible toxins with zoos many months ago I do
not handle them if I am alone in the house and will usually casually
mention that I am doing so just in case with a "if I start gasping for
breath it's the corals that have done it"......

Gill

Yea, besides where Gills tongue and fingers are usually at, zoo crap
is minor **** to consider.
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:50:11 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

RubenD wrote:
I know, but leaving you reef passion aside, don't you guys feel a little
worry about this?
Just be objective, no bussiness minded or defensive. WE all spent a great
deal of time on building this wonder, it's our pet,
but is it worth the risk. Before I didn't know, I can point fingers to
those who didn't warn me, but I'm not.
I read on reefcentral this zoo toxin is listed as a bio weapon.
Frankly, I don't need one of those in my home, do you?

I'm planning to remove all my zoo's, but I wonder if other coral contain the
same toxin, because we know they all have toxins as a defense mechanism but
no the deadly type as the zooanthids.

I can have a less lethal reef tank, you know, for peace of mind =)

Thanks for your replies, somewhat I found them helpful.

Ruben




I sympathise with your view point......I've chosen to keep my zoos and
have actually purchased more but temper this with an awareness of the
possible toxic nature of them......I would suggest that you do some
googling on all of your corals for toxicity - I did on mine this
afternoon....and then make an educated judgement and risk assessment - I
presume you are not about to pour boiling water over your zoos and then
inhale the fumes like the poor poster on reefcentral....and are more
aware now if you wish to fragment the colonies that you need to protect
yourself.

I agree that there is a case for the toxic nature of some common corals
to be more generally known....but to a certain degree we also need to
make ourselves aware of any risks and how to avoid them or diminish
them. Having read about possible toxins with zoos many months ago I do
not handle them if I am alone in the house and will usually casually
mention that I am doing so just in case with a "if I start gasping for
breath it's the corals that have done it"......

Gill

Shut the **** up Gill One minute yu hate Wayne Salle and call him a
****ing prat face, and allkinds of other inane UK profanities in
emails to me, (I guess I need to repost them huh, yu seem to forget yu
said yu hated Waynes guts.....and Pszemol was a dumbass too....) my
how times have changed.So what happened to your so called famous
kmnowitall SW fish guru in UK, you **** him off too wth your attitude
and personality of a ****ing rat! ****ing worthless Brits!


On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:50:11 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

RubenD wrote:
I know, but leaving you reef passion aside, don't you guys feel a little
worry about this?
Just be objective, no bussiness minded or defensive. WE all spent a great
deal of time on building this wonder, it's our pet,
but is it worth the risk. Before I didn't know, I can point fingers to
those who didn't warn me, but I'm not.
I read on reefcentral this zoo toxin is listed as a bio weapon.
Frankly, I don't need one of those in my home, do you?

I'm planning to remove all my zoo's, but I wonder if other coral contain the
same toxin, because we know they all have toxins as a defense mechanism but
no the deadly type as the zooanthids.

I can have a less lethal reef tank, you know, for peace of mind =)

Thanks for your replies, somewhat I found them helpful.

Ruben




I sympathise with your view point......I've chosen to keep my zoos and
have actually purchased more but temper this with an awareness of the
possible toxic nature of them......I would suggest that you do some
googling on all of your corals for toxicity - I did on mine this
afternoon....and then make an educated judgement and risk assessment - I
presume you are not about to pour boiling water over your zoos and then
inhale the fumes like the poor poster on reefcentral....and are more
aware now if you wish to fragment the colonies that you need to protect
yourself.

I agree that there is a case for the toxic nature of some common corals
to be more generally known....but to a certain degree we also need to
make ourselves aware of any risks and how to avoid them or diminish
them. Having read about possible toxins with zoos many months ago I do
not handle them if I am alone in the house and will usually casually
mention that I am doing so just in case with a "if I start gasping for
breath it's the corals that have done it"......

Gill

RubenD wrote:
I know, but leaving you reef passion aside, don't you guys feel a little
worry about this?

I don't have zoos yet, but that situation isn't likely to make me hesitate. I
kept lionfish for roughly 30 years, and I have a Foxface Rabbitfish now. Of
course, I haven't been stung yet, and that might make me change my mind. :-)

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

I've never known them to give a nasty sting.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Gill Passman wrote on 7/5/2007 12:19 PM:
Wayne Sallee wrote:
I doubt that McDonald's employees say that.
Having it preprinted on a container is different.

And since fish bags are for all things, that method would not work.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



The only coral I was warned against was my Hammer coral and was told to
make sure I get it to retract before moving it as it could deliver a
nasty sting. Although not true of all corals, I treat them all as if
they could possibly be toxic or at least capable of giving a nasty
sting.....but really it is just a matter of common sense and research. I
certainly would not handle any corals if I had a cut on my hand, or even
put my hand in the tank. I've never seen any warnings on anenomes or sea
urchins either but they could be equally painful IIRC the stings are
also toxic.

Gill

PS Unless iced isn't it normal to expect coffee to be hot? :-)

Hammers that is. The advice to get them to retract
is given when you are going to remove them out of
the water so that they don't hurt themselves.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Wayne Sallee wrote on 7/5/2007 9:48 PM:
I've never known them to give a nasty sting.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Gill Passman wrote on 7/5/2007 12:19 PM:
Wayne Sallee wrote:
I doubt that McDonald's employees say that.
Having it preprinted on a container is different.

And since fish bags are for all things, that method would not work.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



The only coral I was warned against was my Hammer coral and was told
to make sure I get it to retract before moving it as it could deliver
a nasty sting. Although not true of all corals, I treat them all as if
they could possibly be toxic or at least capable of giving a nasty
sting.....but really it is just a matter of common sense and research.
I certainly would not handle any corals if I had a cut on my hand, or
even put my hand in the tank. I've never seen any warnings on anenomes
or sea urchins either but they could be equally painful IIRC the
stings are also toxic.

Gill

PS Unless iced isn't it normal to expect coffee to be hot? :-)