RM...........here are some links to some good sites that have the proper bulbs

Reel McKoi said the following on 1/9/2008 10:41 PM:

"Randy Webb" wrote in message
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g_in_k_o said the following on 12/31/2007 3:23 PM:

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You can bubble your own CO2 with yeast, sugar and water in a 2 liter
soda
bottle. It's a pain to keep feeding the yeast, but it's pretty cheap
and
does a good job for many plants. Google "DIY CO2" should get some
info to you.

URL: http://thereeftank.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90039&page=23

About half way down that page is a section where the guy posted
pictures and instructions on how to make a DIY CO2 generator. I found
that article while researching for a reef tank. I made one two nights
ago and it works good. Too good in fact. I double dosed the yeast
trying to jump start my plant tank and ran into a problem worse than
recharging the yeast. Trying to regulate the CO2. Instead of bending a
stiff piece of tubing, I simply used flex tubing and ran it through
the bottom of the strainer (after drilling a hole for it). The problem
is that it produces so much CO2 that the bubbles actually build up and
cause my filter to "dry run" for about a half a second every minute or
so. I am going to have to put a T in it and split it up. Impossible to
regulate.
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Thanks Randy but I really don't have the time to mess with something
like that. I can kill all my fish if I make a mistake.

That is very true. I tried it because I was setting up a plant tank. The
hope was to make it a planted and fish tank but I wanted the plants
established first, then introduce the fish. Since there were no fish, I
didn't have to worry about over-dosing the CO2.

One thing I have thought about doing was putting the T in it and let one
side just dump out (not into the tank) so that I could try to regulate
what is going into the tank.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind

On Jan 2, 4:07*pm, AquariumFatasies wrote:
On Jan 2, 3:20*pm, Randy Webb wrote:

AquariumFatasies said the following on 1/1/2008 1:45 PM:

snip

For someone who proclaims to have a "real Usenet" account and a "real
posting agent", I would think you would know how to snip and interleave
responses properly. If nothing else, it makes it a lot easier to follow
what you are saying.

Well then Rand **** you and the horse you rode in on.



Well I sure am not knocking it so don't think that I am.

After reading it 10 times or so, that is still the indication I get from
reading your reply.

Well you have to admit irt doe slook like a freaking kindergarden kid
had a home project to do......or maybe one of the "disabled" types at
Goodwill! *Your welcome to read what *you want into it now, since yyou
still though I was knocking it, so now you can pretty dam well bet I
am knocking that pityfull what-the-**** it ever is.



I use lots of powerheads in my tanks both salt and fresh, and stay as
far away form suction cups as I can as I am not fond of sand storms
of holes blown in the substrate no matter if its gravel or sand, when
a suction cup lets loose. Been ther done that too many times.

I use them in my 90 gallon tank but they aren't there as much to hold
the power head up as they are too keep them from leaning over. The power
heads sit on top of uplift tubes from an UGF and the suction cups are
there solely to keep them from wanting to "push" on the tubes.

Simple things for simple folks.......your filter whatever attests to
that!

I make brackets to hang from the top and fix my powerheads to them
at the disired depth and angles.......

Do I dare ask what you make those brackets from?

Dam right, its classified. I may have even sent you some material but
you just had to start to be a horses *er ah make that TYNKs ass and
assume ****! Do without, you would onoly make it look like a disabled
persons project anyhow.and it would be a waste of good
materials..............



or I use the typical mag float tank cleaners and attach the
powerhead to the magnet that goes inside the tank. I use Weldon
SOlvent to glue the pump and mount to the magnet clenaer and have
yet to have one ever come loose on me and create a sandstorm
since I started using it this way in many many years.........

Does Google Groups have a spell checker?

**** no and eveni f it did, I do not see a need to use it for the
likes of assholes like you or the majority that infest these groups...



I happened tofind a bunch of mag cleaners on super clearance sale one
time and took advantage of them this way......To clean them its easy
to slide the powerhead up from outside the tank and then just pop the
mag cleaner halfs apart just like the typical mag cleaner is
used.......

I don't care for the magnets personally. Nothing more than a gimmick so
that people don't have to maintain a tank properly. I guess that is one
decent use for them as they aren't good for anything else to me. As long
as you have power heads that are weak enough that they can't turn the
magnets on the glass. And, as long as you are satisfied with the flow
you get from having all your pumps on the edges and none in the middle.

Your certainly a ****ed up paranoid idiot Randy.gimmicks my ass,. Your
just cheap *and stupid and your filter and power head **** proves that
point 110%



The blue foam is typical of what they sell for filter media in many
many LFS and its what is used in the Oceanic Bio cubes......

That is precisely what it is (I even said that earlier in this thread).

So whjy are you trying to say in the prvious posty its some high
fancey shamancey material,. why not just simply say its filter media
foam.duh, your a real dumbass Randy



what I am getting at is the amount of area exposed is still only
abojut the size of my tyupical sleeve filters, unless *you have that
chunk of concrete (rock) on its side like a wheel in which course
then it would have the bottom portion also to act as a filter. *

I would look up where I said it but I don't feel like it. The rock is
not turned on its side, it is raised up off the bottom of the tank so
that water actually flows through the bottom as much as it does the top.
As for cleaning it, I simply turn the power head off and vacuum under
it. Trivial stuff.

Your whole life is trivial Randy, and your lazy to boot. Too lazy to
go look up what you *may or may not have posted ..Laziness shows in
yur powerhead / filter thingy whjat ever you want to call
it........but the term Crap or mess fits it perfectly.



But once the filter material gets some junk pulled in its not any
different in action than the typical foam filters like in the aqua
clear HOB filters,.

That is true. But, I can clean mine without ever getting wet. I don't
even have to reach in the water. That can't be said for the foam filters..

Says who, the maker of such a beautiful assinine piece of crap. It
belongs on the bottomof a lake or a landfill Randy............it
sucks...........but then *it probably adds a touch of class to your
trailer.



Either way, people can do it however they want. There is not a solid
rule on how you do it. Be innovative. Be creative. Otherwise, your tank
just looks like something anybody could go in Walmart/Petsmart/Petco and
put together.

Yea, inovative ..hahhahahahahaha and crude too!



It starts to restrict flow and becomes blocked and pump works against
more suction and produces less outflow. its only natural for less intake and
outflow to occur when *filter media of any kind gets detrius sucked in
to it.

I fool with my tank nearly every day right now because I still don't
have it set up the way I want. The filter gets cleaned off every day. It
is part of the maintenance process. If a filter is left so long that it
starts to get clogged then the tank has more problems than a clogged filter.

So your bored then, I do not have to fool with my tanks but every
other week.thats because my tanks have class and decent innovative
ideas on them and not some crappy looking **** like you posted
about......



--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind

So tell me Randy are you feeling Randy? I bet your a ****** too ...huh
Randy? *Probably was wanking while making that filter thing and thats
why it looks like it does. Probably wanking right now so you do not
"want" to break the rythmn of the stroke and go look up some
**** .........huh randy Randy!

Bye Randy ya old ****** you!

"Randy Webb" wrote in message
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Reel McKoi said the following on 1/9/2008 10:41 PM:
Thanks Randy but I really don't have the time to mess with something like
that. I can kill all my fish if I make a mistake.
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That is very true. I tried it because I was setting up a plant tank. The
hope was to make it a planted and fish tank but I wanted the plants
established first, then introduce the fish. Since there were no fish, I
didn't have to worry about over-dosing the CO2.

One thing I have thought about doing was putting the T in it and let one
side just dump out (not into the tank) so that I could try to regulate
what is going into the tank.
================================
Keep us updated on your successes and failures. As much as I love aquarium
plants I like my fish more and would never do anything to jeopardize their
health.
--
RM....
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

Reel McKoi said the following on 1/10/2008 1:21 PM:

"Randy Webb" wrote in message
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Reel McKoi said the following on 1/9/2008 10:41 PM:
Thanks Randy but I really don't have the time to mess with something
like that. I can kill all my fish if I make a mistake.
---------
That is very true. I tried it because I was setting up a plant tank.
The hope was to make it a planted and fish tank but I wanted the
plants established first, then introduce the fish. Since there were no
fish, I didn't have to worry about over-dosing the CO2.

One thing I have thought about doing was putting the T in it and let
one side just dump out (not into the tank) so that I could try to
regulate what is going into the tank.
================================
Keep us updated on your successes and failures. As much as I love
aquarium plants I like my fish more and would never do anything to
jeopardize their health.

Right now, I am trying to find a good, cheap substrate to use in the
tank. I want something that the plants can actually root and grow in
that won't cost me a fortune to use. As it is now, about half of them
are simply floating in the tank because I can't make up my mind what
kind of substrate to use. Don't want to just keep trying things, them
failing, and having to start all over again.

I read an article somewhere on the web that said you could use clay
based kitty litter but an experiment in a 5 gallon bucket to see what it
would do when totally wet looks like a bucket of mud and scared the crap
out of me.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind

On Jan 11, 1:36*am, Randy Webb wrote:
Reel McKoi said the following on 1/10/2008 1:21 PM:







"Randy Webb" wrote in message
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Reel McKoi said the following on 1/9/2008 10:41 PM:
Thanks Randy but I really don't have the time to mess with something
like that. I can kill all my fish if I make a mistake.
---------
That is very true. I tried it because I was setting up a plant tank.
The hope was to make it a planted and fish tank but I wanted the
plants established first, then introduce the fish. Since there were no
fish, I didn't have to worry about over-dosing the CO2.

One thing I have thought about doing was putting the T in it and let
one side just dump out (not into the tank) so that I could try to
regulate what is going into the tank.
================================
Keep us updated on your successes and failures. *As much as I love
aquarium plants I like my fish more and would never do anything to
jeopardize their health.

Right now, I am trying to find a good, cheap substrate to use in the
tank. I want something that the plants can actually root and grow in
that won't cost me a fortune to use. As it is now, about half of them
are simply floating in the tank because I can't make up my mind what
kind of substrate to use. Don't want to just keep trying things, them
failing, and having to start all over again.

I read an article somewhere on the web that said you could use clay
based kitty litter but an experiment in a 5 gallon bucket to see what it
would do when totally wet looks like a bucket of mud and scared the crap
out of me.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind- Hide quoted text -

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Just a sign of yiur ignorance Randy...............All kitty litter is
not created equal and if you knew half a clue about it it would have
been montmorilite clay or sodium bentonite clay that your looking for,
which is a colloidial clay................

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:36:37 -0500, Randy Webb wrote:

Right now, I am trying to find a good, cheap substrate to use in the
tank. I want something that the plants can actually root and grow in
that won't cost me a fortune to use. As it is now, about half of them
are simply floating in the tank because I can't make up my mind what
kind of substrate to use. Don't want to just keep trying things, them
failing, and having to start all over again.

A suggestion I've made before in this group is "tube sand" or "traction
sand". Comes in 60 pound bags for around $5.00. It's mostly small gravel
and/or coarse sand. I sift out the really small stuff (yes it's a lot of
work), wash the rest, and voila! substrate.

My plants grow great in it, but I do stick a fertilizer tablet under each
plant when planting. By the time that's gone, the fish will have created
enough fertilizer to carry on, although I do use Flourish once a week for
trace elements.

I've been using Flourish Excel in some tanks and not in others. After a
year or more, I can't tell any difference.

On Jan 11, 10:58*am, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:36:37 -0500, Randy Webb wrote:
Right now, I am trying to find a good, cheap substrate to use in the
tank. I want something that the plants can actually root and grow in
that won't cost me a fortune to use. As it is now, about half of them
are simply floating in the tank because I can't make up my mind what
kind of substrate to use. Don't want to just keep trying things, them
failing, and having to start all over again.

A suggestion I've made before in this group is "tube sand" or "traction
sand". *Comes in 60 pound bags for around $5.00. *It's mostly small gravel
and/or coarse sand. *I sift out the really small stuff (yes it's a lot of
work), wash the rest, and voila! substrate. *

My plants grow great in it, but I do stick a fertilizer tablet under each
plant when planting. *By the time that's gone, the fish will have created
enough fertilizer to carry on, although I do use Flourish once a week for
trace elements.

I've been using Flourish Excel in some tanks and not in others. *After a
year or more, I can't tell any difference.

Then its safe to assume if you plant a tank and have fish in it, no
extra fertilizer is necesssary nor pay through thru nose for stuff
like Flourish Excel..............right? (Assuming the majority of
typical plants kept unless they are high intake type plants...I have
never ever spent any money on aquarium plant fertilizer and used to
use plant spikes etc.........then I quit using them as well and my
planats are all just as great now as they were before......and my
tanks are planted fairly heavy too. .A very good exporter of
phosphates and nitrates is frog bit. Frog bit is similar to water
hyacinth, but it doe snot get as large or as high, and usually only
gets perhaps 1/4" to 1/2" at most high off the water surface,. It
spreads widthwise and through fission creates smaller plants. Leaves
are about as large as a quarter in most cases and lcustered and
overlapped and shiney dark green. They do however get some very nice
suspended hair roots that are super for most all fish or in a fry tank
as those roots do collect lots of micro fauna and nutrients fry use to
grow as well as provide protection and Frog Bit is perhaps one of
the best exporters of nitrates, so algae blooms are also reduced. If
the top of the tank is open and there is room for upward growth,
Sensitve Vine is another nice plant that floats and has lots of hair
roots suspended under it. Both Frog bit and sensitive vine are easy to
propagate and control. I also use duckweed and Azola which is also a
floating plant and good at exporting nitrates etc and providing shaded
areas where it may be clustered up or contained. I find lots of
tropical fish that are herbivores's to eat it as well as omnivores.