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![]() "Polarhound" wrote in message ... Several questions for all of you today. Any advice is appreciated. At a small wedding I attended last week, we were given a betta along with all the basic supplies as the table gift. First time I have seen someone do this, but in his case it is appropriate as the groom is a big fish fanatic (over 1000gal in tanks, with his family including the likes of a lungfish, stonefish, buttikoferi, waterdog, oscars, lionfish, electric eels, rays, and an alligator named Fluffy) and works at an LFS to boot. The fish themselves were given in vases along with gravel, water conditioner, and food, so the basics are taken care of. While he has been in the vase, he gets a 100% water change and gravel rinse every 3 days. Sounds fine, provided the water parameters are similar enough. I'm not a big fan of 100% changes, preferring smaller changes as required. I've decided to move the betta to a 5gal tank, (possibly an Eclipse Hex 5,) and give him a few mates, most likely 5-6 neon tetras. Question 1: Is a half dozen neons too many for this tank, based on 1"/gal? Answer 1: No problemo in regards to the biological load. Six Neons are probably equivilant to only 2 or 3 inches of fish-load. Of course, you would need to seed the bacteria and/or go up slowly. Understanding Bettas might give you pause before adding Neons though. They are attracted (in a bad way) to fish which are very colorful (this is their territorial nature) and they can/will eat anything they can fit in their mouths (they are carnivores). These two attributes put Neons (in a small tank with a Betta) at a higher risk than other fishes. The deciding factor is usually the particular disposition of the Betta, so ymmv. Since I brought the betta home, it has not eaten at all. I have tried Splendid Betta pellets (that came with the betta), Tetra freeze dried blood worms, (specifically marked as being good for bettas,) a piece of frozen blood worm, a piece of Sera Vipan staple flake food, and 1/4 cooked pea.. He won't eat any of it. As well, even though I fish the food out of the bowl after 15-20min, the gravel rinsings show copious amounts of waste. Stop trying to feed him for 2-3 days. Then drop in a few bloodworms. If they will not eat their favorite food after not eating for 3 days, you have a problem. Until then, all you might have is a stubborn Betta. He does move around the bowl, responds to me when I am nearby (but only when looking from directly above), and has been blowing some bubbles. Fins are not clamped during movement, and no disease indicators (other then a tiny gray spot that has since shown up at the base of his dorsal fin,) and becomes more active if I move him next to one of my other tanks. Transport mortality is quite high with wedding Bettas. You might be doing everything right, but the fish is still dealing with the treatment received from before you took over. Question 2: I know bettas can go a month without starving. Should I just not feed him for about a week and see if he changes moods? I realize that the double move (LFS to wedding to home) was likely very stressful. Already answered above. At least the behavior & appearance are good signs. Now, on to the new tank. I have several tanks of which I can pull cultured gravel from. Well, all except Marty's (my 2.5" buttikoferi) tank.. He's liable to have it spread all over the tank within an hour! ![]() home. Question 3: If I were to say, put some of the new gravel in a cup inside one of my current tanks, how long would it reasonably take to have enough bacteria attach itself to be able to jump-start the new tank? As an alternative, would it be easier to temporarily install a corner filter filled with cultured gravel? Answer 3: Easier to take a cup of gravel from the established tank and sit it in the new tank for a few weeks (you idea of a corner filter works). Note that this mostly seeds a bacteria which is not difficult to culture anyways, the stuff which breaks down solid wastes. It's the nitrifying bacteria which takes a bit longer to establish (the bacteria which coats surfaces, especially near moving water such as filtration media). Question 4: The only experience I have with a biowheel is in my 75g tank which had the wheels from day one. Would soaking the new wheel in one of my established tanks do more than what I asked in question 3? Answer 4: Yes, it would, if you could get it seeded well enough. Ideally, you could swap bio-wheels, but they won't be the same size :-(. Some squeezings from your older filtration media, into your Eclipse's filter will jump start the system. Now that I mentioned Marty, it brings me to my next question, specifically feeding. If I were to dump a whole container of food into his tank (10g until he grows a bit more) he would probably eat it in 20 minutes. Voracious is an understatement with him. I feed him once per day, starting with Tetra mini pellets, then a few flakes, then some freeze dried blood worms. I know that you should never feed more than they can eat in a few minutes, but does this include when he's eating like a starved lunatic? I put in the food in small amounts, of which he always eats in about 10 seconds flat. Several small pinches (5-6 at a time) of the pellets, a couple of flakes, then a few bloodworms at a time. Although sometimes he slows down during the bloodworms, he usually is clamoring for more when I end the feeding. Question 5: In a case like this, how much is too much? Hornet tilapia are voracious eaters and fast growing to over a foot long. If your filter and water change routine could keep up with it, you can feed him a lot. Don't be surprised if you are filtering it as a 30g by the time you need to move him out (the filtration requirement goes up as a function of the total grams of food introduced, and goes down as a function of water changes). If you want him to eat less, dropping the water temperature a bit might help. Marty is truly a creature of habit. He expects his one big meal a day, and if you try to feed him at any other point in time he'll ignore it. Neat. I've never seen or heard of this. Discus can be a bit anal about their feeding routines, but a tilapia? Do some water tests, specifically NH3/4, NO2 and NO3 and post your results. Many fish are fine with single large meals (ie: channel cats), while others need to feed more continuously (ie: Kissing gouramis, small tetras etc). I'm not sure where the tilapia would fit. As an fast growing omnivore, it's probably not harming him to eat this way. (Last question now, I promise!) When I am cleaning the smaller tanks, it is hard for me to do a proper cleaning without removing too much water. Specifically, cleaning the gravel in the 10G is a royal pain. Normally I only get half the gravel done before I hit the water limit. This is with a manual siphon. Using a Python is not an option, as I can't get suction running the hose down a flight of stairs, and the sink on the same level doesn't allow me to get a good seal to get any suction. I recommend that you gravel vac until your reach your target water volume change (ie:20%). The following time (1 or 2 weeks), start from where you left off. Small tanks are typically done that way. Move a decoration on the tank to indicate what side you are doing next ;~) Question 6: Any recommendations on better ways to clean the gravel? I ask because this problem may be magnified with the 5g tank coming later today. Should I look into a lower powered battery operated siphon? Should I rotate scooping portions of the gravel out and rinsing it? The 10g has a little under 1" of gravel at present, with some areas deeper than others, thanks to Marty's hole digging and plant rearranging antics. Question 6 comes after your promised last question?? ;~) ok, bonus answer 6: the trick to gravel vacuuming smaller tanks is in being able to have a finer control over the flow rate, using a resticting valve, or draining into a pail which is up off the floor, on a chair or something. If that does not work well enough for you, use a smaller diameter pipe in the gravel. cheers NetMax Thanks in advance for your advice. |
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