Is 29g too small for reef and fish?

NanoReef wrote:

In article , Dragon Slayer wrote:
that is an awful lot of fish in a 29 gallon setup.

Agreed. I think that tank is full already.

You probably could double the number of snails and hermits though.
1 hermit per gallon, 1 snail per 2 gallon is not unheard of.


The hermits are very large, about the size of a quarter. If I can catch
the damsel he will go into another tank I have...........but he's mighty
quick.

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Remember, wherever you go, there you are.

Here's what I've done in my 29 gallons:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...Stuff/SW5.html

I kinda went overboard with snails and crabs. Now I worry about their
not getting enough algae to eat. The glass is completely clean, which I
was not hoping for. I only have four fish and that is one more than I
intended. My will power failed when I saw a mandarin.

Ruth Kazez

Adira wrote:

NanoReef wrote:


In article , Dragon Slayer wrote:

that is an awful lot of fish in a 29 gallon setup.

Agreed. I think that tank is full already.

You probably could double the number of snails and hermits though.
1 hermit per gallon, 1 snail per 2 gallon is not unheard of.



The hermits are very large, about the size of a quarter. If I can catch
the damsel he will go into another tank I have...........but he's mighty
quick.

rtk wrote:

Here's what I've done in my 29 gallons:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...Stuff/SW5.html

I kinda went overboard with snails and crabs. Now I worry about their
not getting enough algae to eat. The glass is completely clean, which
I was not hoping for. I only have four fish and that is one more than
I intended. My will power failed when I saw a mandarin.

Ruth Kazez

Adira wrote:

NanoReef wrote:


In article , Dragon Slayer wrote:

that is an awful lot of fish in a 29 gallon setup.

Agreed. I think that tank is full already.

You probably could double the number of snails and hermits though.
1 hermit per gallon, 1 snail per 2 gallon is not unheard of.



The hermits are very large, about the size of a quarter. If I can
catch the damsel he will go into another tank I have...........but
he's mighty quick.




Those are pretty...............when I get a bigger tank I want one too.

--
Remember, wherever you go, there you are.

In article ,
says...
rtk wrote:

Here's what I've done in my 29 gallons:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...Stuff/SW5.html

I kinda went overboard with snails and crabs. Now I worry about their
not getting enough algae to eat. The glass is completely clean, which
I was not hoping for. I only have four fish and that is one more than
I intended. My will power failed when I saw a mandarin.

Ruth Kazez

Adira wrote:

NanoReef wrote:


In article , Dragon Slayer wrote:

that is an awful lot of fish in a 29 gallon setup.

Agreed. I think that tank is full already.

You probably could double the number of snails and hermits though.
1 hermit per gallon, 1 snail per 2 gallon is not unheard of.



The hermits are very large, about the size of a quarter. If I can
catch the damsel he will go into another tank I have...........but
he's mighty quick.




Those are pretty...............when I get a bigger tank I want one too.



Got a 29 w about 2" live sand, 40lbs live rock assorted softies, 1
sixline wrasse, 1 flame hawk, 1 algae blenny, misc. crabs (includes 1
mythrax) & snails, a peppermint shrimp that continues to surprise me be
living and a red serpentstar. Don't know why I seem to loose snails and
crabs with a disturbing frequency--maybe fratricide amongst the crabs?
There's an orange sponge that isn't surviving the hair algae breakout as
easily as I'd hoped. There's also a HOB refugium 12" from acryliccity
via ebay with mucho macro algae and pods. Skimmed with a cpr bak pak
with bio bale removed. Sometimes run with an aquaclear 150 power filter
to help clean up detritus and use the phosphate sponge that is part of
the fight against hair algae (ultimately hope to shift that function
over to the empty chamber in the bak pak) Water movement is a closed
loop run through a SCWD. I think that whilst I'm at the fish limit for
this size tank, more snails and soft corals could take up some of the
empty spaces. With limited lighting 165w PC, can't get too exotic.
Pluse it's already reached the "hey cool, what's that?" stage with
various strange worms, anenomies, and other critters popping up out of
nowhere.
If I had advice to give, it would be to establish a larger more
elaborate sump/refugium system possibly in the cabinet below the tank.
Working with such small water volume, the extra means a lot in terms of
stability and a refugium can provide nifty amounts of nutrient export
via its macroalgae.

How much could you turn this water over and not hurt the tank

"willis stanley" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
rtk wrote:

Here's what I've done in my 29 gallons:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...Stuff/SW5.html

I kinda went overboard with snails and crabs. Now I worry about their
not getting enough algae to eat. The glass is completely clean, which
I was not hoping for. I only have four fish and that is one more than
I intended. My will power failed when I saw a mandarin.

Ruth Kazez

Adira wrote:

NanoReef wrote:


In article , Dragon Slayer wrote:

that is an awful lot of fish in a 29 gallon setup.

Agreed. I think that tank is full already.

You probably could double the number of snails and hermits though.
1 hermit per gallon, 1 snail per 2 gallon is not unheard of.



The hermits are very large, about the size of a quarter. If I can
catch the damsel he will go into another tank I have...........but
he's mighty quick.




Those are pretty...............when I get a bigger tank I want one too.



Got a 29 w about 2" live sand, 40lbs live rock assorted softies, 1
sixline wrasse, 1 flame hawk, 1 algae blenny, misc. crabs (includes 1
mythrax) & snails, a peppermint shrimp that continues to surprise me be
living and a red serpentstar. Don't know why I seem to loose snails and
crabs with a disturbing frequency--maybe fratricide amongst the crabs?
There's an orange sponge that isn't surviving the hair algae breakout as
easily as I'd hoped. There's also a HOB refugium 12" from acryliccity
via ebay with mucho macro algae and pods. Skimmed with a cpr bak pak
with bio bale removed. Sometimes run with an aquaclear 150 power filter
to help clean up detritus and use the phosphate sponge that is part of
the fight against hair algae (ultimately hope to shift that function
over to the empty chamber in the bak pak) Water movement is a closed
loop run through a SCWD. I think that whilst I'm at the fish limit for
this size tank, more snails and soft corals could take up some of the
empty spaces. With limited lighting 165w PC, can't get too exotic.
Pluse it's already reached the "hey cool, what's that?" stage with
various strange worms, anenomies, and other critters popping up out of
nowhere.
If I had advice to give, it would be to establish a larger more
elaborate sump/refugium system possibly in the cabinet below the tank.
Working with such small water volume, the extra means a lot in terms of
stability and a refugium can provide nifty amounts of nutrient export
via its macroalgae.

what do you mean by "hurt the tank"??

my 29 has close to 60x total turnover in the tank, then another 15 on the
skimmer in the sump. and the current in the tank isn't all you'd think it
would be at that amount.


kc

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How much could you turn this water over and not hurt the tank

"willis stanley" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
rtk wrote:

Here's what I've done in my 29 gallons:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...Stuff/SW5.html

I kinda went overboard with snails and crabs. Now I worry about
their
not getting enough algae to eat. The glass is completely clean,
which
I was not hoping for. I only have four fish and that is one more
than
I intended. My will power failed when I saw a mandarin.

Ruth Kazez

Adira wrote:

NanoReef wrote:


In article , Dragon Slayer wrote:

that is an awful lot of fish in a 29 gallon setup.

Agreed. I think that tank is full already.

You probably could double the number of snails and hermits though.
1 hermit per gallon, 1 snail per 2 gallon is not unheard of.



The hermits are very large, about the size of a quarter. If I can
catch the damsel he will go into another tank I have...........but
he's mighty quick.




Those are pretty...............when I get a bigger tank I want one
too.



Got a 29 w about 2" live sand, 40lbs live rock assorted softies, 1
sixline wrasse, 1 flame hawk, 1 algae blenny, misc. crabs (includes 1
mythrax) & snails, a peppermint shrimp that continues to surprise me be
living and a red serpentstar. Don't know why I seem to loose snails and
crabs with a disturbing frequency--maybe fratricide amongst the crabs?
There's an orange sponge that isn't surviving the hair algae breakout as
easily as I'd hoped. There's also a HOB refugium 12" from acryliccity
via ebay with mucho macro algae and pods. Skimmed with a cpr bak pak
with bio bale removed. Sometimes run with an aquaclear 150 power filter
to help clean up detritus and use the phosphate sponge that is part of
the fight against hair algae (ultimately hope to shift that function
over to the empty chamber in the bak pak) Water movement is a closed
loop run through a SCWD. I think that whilst I'm at the fish limit for
this size tank, more snails and soft corals could take up some of the
empty spaces. With limited lighting 165w PC, can't get too exotic.
Pluse it's already reached the "hey cool, what's that?" stage with
various strange worms, anenomies, and other critters popping up out of
nowhere.
If I had advice to give, it would be to establish a larger more
elaborate sump/refugium system possibly in the cabinet below the tank.
Working with such small water volume, the extra means a lot in terms of
stability and a refugium can provide nifty amounts of nutrient export
via its macroalgae.