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Glenn Woodell wrote:
And your point?

You shouldn't have bought a clown loach for such a small tank.

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Glenn Woodell wrote:
And your point?

You shouldn't have bought a clown loach for such a small tank.

And you have yours in a 10,000 gallon tank? My loach is quite happy where he
is and my water chemisty is fine.

Glenn

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says...

Glenn Woodell wrote:
And your point?

You shouldn't have bought a clown loach for such a small tank.

And you have yours in a 10,000 gallon tank? My loach is quite happy
where he
is and my water chemisty is fine.

Glenn


Man o' man, what I would put in a 10,000 gallon tank ;~). That's a whole
new thread! The inescapable facts, however presented, is that loaches
(and tetras) do better with the company of their own kind, and they are
fine in small tanks until they need to be upgraded as appropriate
(imnsho). However you get there, either by researching in advance or by
upgrading their housing as needed, is up to you.
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Man o' man, what I would put in a 10,000 gallon tank ;~). That's a whole
new thread! The inescapable facts, however presented, is that loaches
(and tetras) do better with the company of their own kind, and they are
fine in small tanks until they need to be upgraded as appropriate
(imnsho).

I completely understand and agree with your better presentation. Without the
entire history of my tank (pretty boring actually) it would seem that I am
just tossing fish around but that is not the case. Until I get that 10,000
gallon tank I'll have to make do with what I have.

Glenn

Glenn Woodell wrote:
And you have yours in a 10,000 gallon tank? My loach is quite happy where he
is and my water chemisty is fine.

I have 7 clown loaches in a 110 gallon tank. So, how exactly do you
figure your clown loach is "quite happy"?

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On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:06:35 GMT, Victor Martinez
wrote:

Glenn Woodell wrote:
And you have yours in a 10,000 gallon tank? My loach is quite happy where he
is and my water chemisty is fine.

I have 7 clown loaches in a 110 gallon tank. So, how exactly do you
figure your clown loach is "quite happy"?


Your question was not to me, but I have an opinion. I have 13 Clown
Loaches in 4 tanks. The CL by himself was with others when younger,
but was not doing well. How do I know? He didn't move around, get
bigger, poor color. I moved him to my quarantine tank and he started
eating, putting on weight and color. After 4 months when he appeared
well, I put him back to his original tank. He dug a cave under some
rocks and came out rarely in the day time. (no idea about night) I
moved him back to the Q tank and he is swimming about and comes up to
the top at feeding time.

I am surprised you ask the question. I just react to looking at a
fish. An unhappy, or some might say sick, fish loses color, activity,
joining in with others, fins droop, they stay to themselves. Lots of
clues. Often it is illness, who can be "quite happy" when ill? But,
I have seen improvement through a change of tanks. Who knows,
perhaps, the fish was being bullied and I didn't see it. But the
change from unhappy to quite happy happens within hours.

One problem I have with my 75 gallon tank is being able to note what
is happening with individual fish. I have several species with 8 to
11 fish. It is much easier to notice large fish or special fish. I
hardly pay attention to the 11 White Clouds. They all look the same.
Perhaps 110 gallons and a large number of fish makes it hard to focus
on individuals? One fish I am always aware of is a black angelfish in
a 29 gallon tank. She always is first to the top when I open the lid.
She is the largest fish in the tank. She always keeps her eyes on me
as I move about. Funny, but black mollies are always aware of my
movement. I tend to watch them in return.

I may have missed the point of your question, but if I take it
literally it is a sad thing to be asking. I wonder what pleasure your
tank is giving you if you are not seeing the fish as individuals? I
hope you have at least one that is special to you. If you do, I bet
you know when it is "quite happy!"

"Dick" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:06:35 GMT, Victor Martinez
wrote:

Glenn Woodell wrote:
And you have yours in a 10,000 gallon tank? My loach is quite happy
where he
is and my water chemisty is fine.

I have 7 clown loaches in a 110 gallon tank. So, how exactly do you
figure your clown loach is "quite happy"?


Your question was not to me, but I have an opinion. I have 13 Clown
Loaches in 4 tanks. The CL by himself was with others when younger,
but was not doing well. How do I know? He didn't move around, get
bigger, poor color. I moved him to my quarantine tank and he started
eating, putting on weight and color. After 4 months when he appeared
well, I put him back to his original tank. He dug a cave under some
rocks and came out rarely in the day time. (no idea about night) I
moved him back to the Q tank and he is swimming about and comes up to
the top at feeding time.

My 8 clowns have been in the new tank about 3 days, so they are still
getting used to it. I always had plenty of hidy holes in my old 75g tank,
and that was a bit of a problem, I didn't know if I even had 8 loaches in
the tank anymore, I never saw them. When I pulled everything out of the tank
last week, lo and behold, all 8 loaches, and a couple of them had turned
into right old fatties.
I even found a couple of shrimps that I hadn't seen in 6 months.
Now they're in the new tank, alot softer sand, but still the same hidy
holes, they aren't interested in them, one or two will take a quick break in
their old hole, but then join the rest flying round the tank. They only used
to come out when it was dark, and now they are only out when it's light, and
as soon as the light goes off they disappear into their holes.
And the discus have bloomed in the new tank, fins seem bigger, maybe it's
because they have so much room now.

complete inventory (hence the reason for a new tank)
3 discus 6"
8 clowns 3 - 7"
2 plecs (no idea what type, but haven't grown past 5" in two years)
10 rummy nosed tetras 1"
6 glass catfish 4"
3 SAE
2 shrimps (japonica)

On Fri, 14 May 2004 15:26:31 +0200, "Ali Day"
wrote:


"Dick" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:06:35 GMT, Victor Martinez
wrote:

Glenn Woodell wrote:
And you have yours in a 10,000 gallon tank? My loach is quite happy
where he
is and my water chemisty is fine.

I have 7 clown loaches in a 110 gallon tank. So, how exactly do you
figure your clown loach is "quite happy"?


Your question was not to me, but I have an opinion. I have 13 Clown
Loaches in 4 tanks. The CL by himself was with others when younger,
but was not doing well. How do I know? He didn't move around, get
bigger, poor color. I moved him to my quarantine tank and he started
eating, putting on weight and color. After 4 months when he appeared
well, I put him back to his original tank. He dug a cave under some
rocks and came out rarely in the day time. (no idea about night) I
moved him back to the Q tank and he is swimming about and comes up to
the top at feeding time.

My 8 clowns have been in the new tank about 3 days, so they are still
getting used to it. I always had plenty of hidy holes in my old 75g tank,
and that was a bit of a problem, I didn't know if I even had 8 loaches in
the tank anymore, I never saw them. When I pulled everything out of the tank
last week, lo and behold, all 8 loaches, and a couple of them had turned
into right old fatties.
I even found a couple of shrimps that I hadn't seen in 6 months.
Now they're in the new tank, alot softer sand, but still the same hidy
holes, they aren't interested in them, one or two will take a quick break in
their old hole, but then join the rest flying round the tank. They only used
to come out when it was dark, and now they are only out when it's light, and
as soon as the light goes off they disappear into their holes.
And the discus have bloomed in the new tank, fins seem bigger, maybe it's
because they have so much room now.

complete inventory (hence the reason for a new tank)
3 discus 6"
8 clowns 3 - 7"
2 plecs (no idea what type, but haven't grown past 5" in two years)
10 rummy nosed tetras 1"
6 glass catfish 4"
3 SAE
2 shrimps (japonica)

I am so disappointed when my Clown Loaches pull the disappearing act.
They almost always show up for feeding time. I never had any luck
with shrimp (ghost). They either jumped out or ended up in my power
filter.

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Glenn Woodell wrote:
And you have yours in a 10,000 gallon tank? My loach is quite happy where
he
is and my water chemisty is fine.

I have 7 clown loaches in a 110 gallon tank. So, how exactly do you
figure your clown loach is "quite happy"?

I'm not even going to continue this silly conversation.

Glenn

|| I'm not even going to continue this silly conversation.
||
|| Glenn

Why is it a silly conversation? Because you're not being told what you want
to hear? Sorry, it's opinion based, and that's the nature of the beasts
sometimes...

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