Father with Ich - How to treat

My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now Dad has
developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it. Father is busy
defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1 small female green terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum be OK
defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong

Ich seems to be brought on when stress rises, and in your case, I can't
imagine a more stressed out Acara, when defending fry, against none other
than 5, FIVE firemouths, and a GT...

yeah, I would say that would be a bit of stess, but I can't imagine how
you're gonna fix that one... I would say, "Survival of the Fittest, at it's
best" comes to mind....


"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now Dad has
developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it. Father is busy
defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1 small female green terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum be OK
defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong

Sure he is stressed out, but he is 2.5 times the size of the firemouths.
The GT is about .75 times the size, but is not the aggressor in this case.
He is holding them in their half of the tank very well.

He has about 5 spots now, ie more than yesterday, so I'm taking him out to
treat. I figure if I leave him, and the Ich progresses to the next stage,
the whole tank may become infected, if it isn't already. Will this effect
the pair bond?

Also in hindsight I should have designed my tank so that I could have put a
tank divider in more easily!!




"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message
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Ich seems to be brought on when stress rises, and in your case, I can't
imagine a more stressed out Acara, when defending fry, against none other
than 5, FIVE firemouths, and a GT...

yeah, I would say that would be a bit of stess, but I can't imagine how
you're gonna fix that one... I would say, "Survival of the Fittest, at
it's
best" comes to mind....


"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now Dad has
developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it. Father is busy
defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1 small female green
terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum be OK
defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong

you can take him out, but realize that the tank you are taking him out of is
probably already affected by it, and will worsen with his departure..

good luck, remember google is your friend, search it for ich and go to the
krib and look under diseases...

"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
Sure he is stressed out, but he is 2.5 times the size of the firemouths.
The GT is about .75 times the size, but is not the aggressor in this case.
He is holding them in their half of the tank very well.

He has about 5 spots now, ie more than yesterday, so I'm taking him out to
treat. I figure if I leave him, and the Ich progresses to the next stage,
the whole tank may become infected, if it isn't already. Will this effect
the pair bond?

Also in hindsight I should have designed my tank so that I could have put
a
tank divider in more easily!!




"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message
...
Ich seems to be brought on when stress rises, and in your case, I can't
imagine a more stressed out Acara, when defending fry, against none
other
than 5, FIVE firemouths, and a GT...

yeah, I would say that would be a bit of stess, but I can't imagine how
you're gonna fix that one... I would say, "Survival of the Fittest, at
it's
best" comes to mind....


"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now Dad has
developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it. Father is
busy
defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1 small female green
terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum be OK
defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong

"RedForeman ©®" wrote in
:

Ich seems to be brought on when stress rises,

That is certainly one school of thought. However, I subscribe to the
school that believes ich has little run to do with stress. My fish only
get ich within a week or so of introduction of a new fish. Any exchange
of water from an infected tank can also transmit ich. In my view, fish
simply get ich when the parasite is introduced into the tank. If it is
not introduced, they will not get it. Moreover, ich does not lie dormant
-- it needs to have a fish host to survive for any length of time.

Just my view,
Meph

and in your case, I
can't imagine a more stressed out Acara, when defending fry, against
none other than 5, FIVE firemouths, and a GT...

yeah, I would say that would be a bit of stess, but I can't imagine
how you're gonna fix that one... I would say, "Survival of the
Fittest, at it's best" comes to mind....


"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now Dad
has developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it. Father
is busy defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1 small female
green terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum be OK
defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong

this is true Meph, but I believe the stress is also a factor, as it reduces
their immune systems to a state where they are less likely to be able to
fight the disease off.
"Mephistopheles" wrote in
message . net...
"RedForeman ©®" wrote in
:

Ich seems to be brought on when stress rises,

That is certainly one school of thought. However, I subscribe to the
school that believes ich has little run to do with stress. My fish only
get ich within a week or so of introduction of a new fish. Any exchange
of water from an infected tank can also transmit ich. In my view, fish
simply get ich when the parasite is introduced into the tank. If it is
not introduced, they will not get it. Moreover, ich does not lie dormant
-- it needs to have a fish host to survive for any length of time.

Just my view,
Meph

and in your case, I
can't imagine a more stressed out Acara, when defending fry, against
none other than 5, FIVE firemouths, and a GT...

yeah, I would say that would be a bit of stess, but I can't imagine
how you're gonna fix that one... I would say, "Survival of the
Fittest, at it's best" comes to mind....


"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now Dad
has developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it. Father
is busy defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1 small female
green terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum be OK
defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong

"Leong Goh" wrote in
:

Sure he is stressed out, but he is 2.5 times the size of the
firemouths. The GT is about .75 times the size, but is not the
aggressor in this case. He is holding them in their half of the tank
very well.

He has about 5 spots now, ie more than yesterday, so I'm taking him
out to treat. I figure if I leave him, and the Ich progresses to the
next stage, the whole tank may become infected, if it isn't already.
Will this effect the pair bond?

I would think the best course of action would be to treat the whole tank.
Removing a fish with surging hormones may cause a lot of stress.
Moreover, I cannot really imagine how the whole tank would not be
infected. I would search on Google, as redforeman suggested, for
information regarding what medications will harm fry. I would think that
something like quickcure (malachite green and formalin) would be
relatively benign for fry -- it never seems to stress any of my fish
anyway -- but I am not positive.

Meph



Also in hindsight I should have designed my tank so that I could have
put a tank divider in more easily!!




"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message
...
Ich seems to be brought on when stress rises, and in your case, I
can't imagine a more stressed out Acara, when defending fry, against
none other than 5, FIVE firemouths, and a GT...

yeah, I would say that would be a bit of stess, but I can't imagine
how you're gonna fix that one... I would say, "Survival of the
Fittest, at it's best" comes to mind....


"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now Dad
has developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it. Father
is busy defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1 small female
green terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum be OK
defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong

Just raise the tank temperature to 30C, ick will disappear right away.

I found by keeping tank temperature at 30C for 3-4 days, ick will be killed.
"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now Dad has
developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it. Father is busy
defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1 small female green terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum be OK
defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong

MH,

Perhaps, but I do not believe that ich is technically a "disease" (such
as a virus, fungus, or bacteria). It is a parasite. The state of the
fish's immune system should be irrelevant to whether the parasite can
successfully infect the fish -- just as it is irrelevant to whether a
tick can parasitize a dog. I am not an expert on such matters, but that
would be my understanding.

Meph

"The Madd Hatter" wrote in
ble.rogers.com:

this is true Meph, but I believe the stress is also a factor, as it
reduces their immune systems to a state where they are less likely to
be able to fight the disease off.
"Mephistopheles" wrote in
message . net...
"RedForeman ©®" wrote in
:

Ich seems to be brought on when stress rises,

That is certainly one school of thought. However, I subscribe to the
school that believes ich has little run to do with stress. My fish
only get ich within a week or so of introduction of a new fish. Any
exchange of water from an infected tank can also transmit ich. In my
view, fish simply get ich when the parasite is introduced into the
tank. If it is not introduced, they will not get it. Moreover, ich
does not lie dormant -- it needs to have a fish host to survive for
any length of time.

Just my view,
Meph

and in your case, I
can't imagine a more stressed out Acara, when defending fry,
against none other than 5, FIVE firemouths, and a GT...

yeah, I would say that would be a bit of stess, but I can't imagine
how you're gonna fix that one... I would say, "Survival of the
Fittest, at it's best" comes to mind....


"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now Dad
has developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it.
Father is busy defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1
small female green terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum be
OK defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong

All points made thus far have their merits. Ich is a parasite but by
the time it is noticed it is already in the latter stages of its
lifecycle and has reproduced. Therefore, the tank should be
considered infested and moving fish out of the tank before treatment
will only spread the problem to other tanks.

Ich can also be related to stress or be a secondary problem. A
healthy fish has a good slime coat that ich cannot penetrate easily.
A stressed fish has a weaker slimecoat which makes them more
susceptible. It is possible for a tank to have ich without ever
showing signs of a problem until a fish gets weak. However, once a
tank is cured properly it is not likely that ich will return unless it
is re-introduced into the tank.

Based on a study and published in TFH a few years ago: Formalin will
kill ich on contact but there is one stage in which the parasite has a
protective coating that formalin cannot get through. Malachite green
will break down that protective coating an let formalin do its job.
The article also stated that raising the temperature to 90 degrees f.
will kill all ich in all stages.

I've tried many of the ich cures only to have the problem resurface a
few weeks later. I have had the best luck using the
triple-threat......Malachite Green, Formalin (formaldehyde), and
raising the tanks temperature. Ever since I started treating ich in
this manner I do not get re-infestations unless I get new fish.

--

Mark
http://www.cichliddomain.com


"The Madd Hatter" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
this is true Meph, but I believe the stress is also a factor, as it
reduces
their immune systems to a state where they are less likely to be
able to
fight the disease off.
"Mephistopheles" wrote
in
message . net...
"RedForeman ©®" wrote in
:

Ich seems to be brought on when stress rises,

That is certainly one school of thought. However, I subscribe to
the
school that believes ich has little run to do with stress. My
fish only
get ich within a week or so of introduction of a new fish. Any
exchange
of water from an infected tank can also transmit ich. In my view,
fish
simply get ich when the parasite is introduced into the tank. If
it is
not introduced, they will not get it. Moreover, ich does not lie
dormant
-- it needs to have a fish host to survive for any length of time.

Just my view,
Meph

and in your case, I
can't imagine a more stressed out Acara, when defending fry,
against
none other than 5, FIVE firemouths, and a GT...

yeah, I would say that would be a bit of stess, but I can't
imagine
how you're gonna fix that one... I would say, "Survival of the
Fittest, at it's best" comes to mind....


"Leong Goh" wrote in message
...
My Blue Acaras have had free swimming fry for three days. Now
Dad
has developed White spot. No other fish appear to have it.
Father
is busy defending territory against 5 firemouths and 1 small
female
green terror.

Should I treat the whole 300l tank? ( Will the fry be OK ) or
Isolate the Father in my Q tank and treat him only ( Will Mum
be OK
defending the fry on her own?)

Any help would be appreciated

Leong