Several DIY Yeast CO2 System questions.

For any who may be familiar with the 2-liter-soda-bottle method of CO2
production... using baking soda as a buffering/stabilizing
compound... Could someone tell me what the optimum mix of water,
yeast, and baking soda would be using this method? (in case it makes
a difference in the formula, the yeast culture in this case is an
ethanol-resistant strain commonly used in wine-making). Also, how
often would one recommend refreshing the solution in the bottled
culture? Or would it be best to discard the culture and start a new
one? If discarding, how far in advance should the new culture be
started to supply a consistent amount of CO2?

Everyone has their own recipes they swear by but I use 1.5 cups sugar, 2/5
tsp wine yeast, ~7 cups warm water ~39C, 1/2 tsp baking soda, lasts me a
month easily. If reusing yeast I'd change the water, sugar, b.s after 3
weeks but I haven't tried that (yeast always mixes in with solution when
trying to empty the bottle). I let mine aerate for at least 12 hours before
hooking it up as my mixes always take longer to start for some reason than
other peoples.

"Dances With Ferrets" wrote in message
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For any who may be familiar with the 2-liter-soda-bottle method of CO2
production... using baking soda as a buffering/stabilizing
compound... Could someone tell me what the optimum mix of water,
yeast, and baking soda would be using this method? (in case it makes
a difference in the formula, the yeast culture in this case is an
ethanol-resistant strain commonly used in wine-making). Also, how
often would one recommend refreshing the solution in the bottled
culture? Or would it be best to discard the culture and start a new
one? If discarding, how far in advance should the new culture be
started to supply a consistent amount of CO2?

Try the larger flat bottomed juice jars. They last longer and don't tip
over as easily.

I tried all sorts of recipes, 2.5 cups of sugar does well. The amount of
yeast isn't important, except at start up. Lots of yeast gives a fast start
up, just a pinch makes for a slow start up.

I put about 3.5 - 4 cups to a big juice jar. It runs about a month. It
begins to slow down after 3 weeks. I use two jars on a 55 gallon tank.
works fine, gives me good levels of CO2

Bob

"Dances With Ferrets" wrote in message
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For any who may be familiar with the 2-liter-soda-bottle method of CO2
production... using baking soda as a buffering/stabilizing
compound... Could someone tell me what the optimum mix of water,
yeast, and baking soda would be using this method? (in case it makes
a difference in the formula, the yeast culture in this case is an
ethanol-resistant strain commonly used in wine-making). Also, how
often would one recommend refreshing the solution in the bottled
culture? Or would it be best to discard the culture and start a new
one? If discarding, how far in advance should the new culture be
started to supply a consistent amount of CO2?

Remember to use warm water when mixing solution. And if possible, keep
solution warm...this will prolong the reaction. Some people put their
bottles in pail of water with an aquarium heater. Simply, cold---slows
reaction, warm---speeds it up, do not use hot water however.

Dave.

"Dances With Ferrets" wrote in message
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For any who may be familiar with the 2-liter-soda-bottle method of CO2
production... using baking soda as a buffering/stabilizing
compound... Could someone tell me what the optimum mix of water,
yeast, and baking soda would be using this method? (in case it makes
a difference in the formula, the yeast culture in this case is an
ethanol-resistant strain commonly used in wine-making). Also, how
often would one recommend refreshing the solution in the bottled
culture? Or would it be best to discard the culture and start a new
one? If discarding, how far in advance should the new culture be
started to supply a consistent amount of CO2?

Dances With Ferrets wrote:
If discarding, how far in advance should the new culture be
started to supply a consistent amount of CO2?

If you really care about the consistence of CO2 production, get yourself
a 2-to-1 gang valve and use two smaller bottles instead of one large
one. Replace the culture in the bottles at different times, so that
their operational periods overlap. That way you won't have any gaps in
CO2 production and the production level will be more even. The downside
is two bottles require more maintenance than one, but not much.

--
Best regards,
Andrey Tarasevich

Thanx to all of you for the info. Will definitely try the juice jar
instead, this makes more sense anyhow.

I use Fleischmann's "Active Dry" yeast, so this information may not be
relevant to you, but here goes anyway ....

I use two 64 oz. juice bottles to supply DIY CO2 to my 29 gal heavily
planted tank. I have the tubing "T"ed together and going to a Hagen Natural
Plant system diffuser. Each bottle has a mixture of 2 cups sugar, 1/2 tsp
baking soda, and 1/4 tsp yeast, which I've found I need to let sit for about
a day after mixing before I get optimum output.

I swap out the bottle containing the oldest mixture every three weeks ... I
just thrown the mixture away and replace the bottle with another one
containing a new mixture that's been sitting for a day. I get fairly
consistent CO2 production this way. The one issue is that the room
containing the tank can get fairly warm during the summer if my wife chooses
to not use the a/c that day ;-), and this increases CO2 production quite a
bit. I used to use an air pump on a timer to control pH drop at night, but
was never able to get it adjusted quite right, and this also didn't address
the warm-room-during-the-day issue. So now I use a CO2 controller, set to
turn on the air pump when the pH drops too low.

"Dances With Ferrets" wrote in message
om...
For any who may be familiar with the 2-liter-soda-bottle method of CO2
production... using baking soda as a buffering/stabilizing
compound... Could someone tell me what the optimum mix of water,
yeast, and baking soda would be using this method? (in case it makes
a difference in the formula, the yeast culture in this case is an
ethanol-resistant strain commonly used in wine-making). Also, how
often would one recommend refreshing the solution in the bottled
culture? Or would it be best to discard the culture and start a new
one? If discarding, how far in advance should the new culture be
started to supply a consistent amount of CO2?

Where do you get your yeast for diy co2? Do you get it off the web, or
at a bakers store?


Dave wrote:
I use Fleischmann's "Active Dry" yeast, so this information may not be
relevant to you, but here goes anyway ....

I use two 64 oz. juice bottles to supply DIY CO2 to my 29 gal heavily
planted tank. I have the tubing "T"ed together and going to a Hagen Natural
Plant system diffuser. Each bottle has a mixture of 2 cups sugar, 1/2 tsp
baking soda, and 1/4 tsp yeast, which I've found I need to let sit for about
a day after mixing before I get optimum output.

I swap out the bottle containing the oldest mixture every three weeks ... I
just thrown the mixture away and replace the bottle with another one
containing a new mixture that's been sitting for a day. I get fairly
consistent CO2 production this way. The one issue is that the room
containing the tank can get fairly warm during the summer if my wife chooses
to not use the a/c that day ;-), and this increases CO2 production quite a
bit. I used to use an air pump on a timer to control pH drop at night, but
was never able to get it adjusted quite right, and this also didn't address
the warm-room-during-the-day issue. So now I use a CO2 controller, set to
turn on the air pump when the pH drops too low.

"Dances With Ferrets" wrote in message
om...

For any who may be familiar with the 2-liter-soda-bottle method of CO2
production... using baking soda as a buffering/stabilizing
compound... Could someone tell me what the optimum mix of water,
yeast, and baking soda would be using this method? (in case it makes
a difference in the formula, the yeast culture in this case is an
ethanol-resistant strain commonly used in wine-making). Also, how
often would one recommend refreshing the solution in the bottled
culture? Or would it be best to discard the culture and start a new
one? If discarding, how far in advance should the new culture be
started to supply a consistent amount of CO2?

"Dave" wrote in message ...
I use Fleischmann's "Active Dry" yeast, so this information may not be
relevant to you, but here goes anyway ....

I use two 64 oz. juice bottles to supply DIY CO2 to my 29 gal heavily
planted tank. I have the tubing "T"ed together and going to a Hagen Natural
Plant system diffuser. Each bottle has a mixture of 2 cups sugar, 1/2 tsp
baking soda, and 1/4 tsp yeast, which I've found I need to let sit for about
a day after mixing before I get optimum output.

I swap out the bottle containing the oldest mixture every three weeks ... I
just thrown the mixture away and replace the bottle with another one
containing a new mixture that's been sitting for a day. I get fairly
consistent CO2 production this way. The one issue is that the room
containing the tank can get fairly warm during the summer if my wife chooses
to not use the a/c that day ;-), and this increases CO2 production quite a
bit. I used to use an air pump on a timer to control pH drop at night, but
was never able to get it adjusted quite right, and this also didn't address
the warm-room-during-the-day issue. So now I use a CO2 controller, set to
turn on the air pump when the pH drops too low.

"Dances With Ferrets" wrote in message
om...
For any who may be familiar with the 2-liter-soda-bottle method of CO2
production... using baking soda as a buffering/stabilizing
compound... Could someone tell me what the optimum mix of water,
yeast, and baking soda would be using this method? (in case it makes
a difference in the formula, the yeast culture in this case is an
ethanol-resistant strain commonly used in wine-making). Also, how
often would one recommend refreshing the solution in the bottled
culture? Or would it be best to discard the culture and start a new
one? If discarding, how far in advance should the new culture be
started to supply a consistent amount of CO2?

Dave, and others,

I have just today hooked up a DIY/CO2 in my 12 gal Eclipse, and am
keeping my fingers crossed. What puzzles me is the startup. I was
doing a bit of improvising on the container, and so I wanted to do a
test run just in my kitchen, bubbling into a glass. Curiously, I found
that it was NOT working. I opened it up, shook it around a bit, closed
it up, and presto bingo, I started to get bubbles. Prior to that, it
had been sitting there for close to a day with virtually no action. So
my question is, when you first mix up your batch, and you let it "sit
for about a day", is that open or closed up (aerobic or anaerobic)?
Mine was closed and didn't really get going until I stoked it with
some air.

As an aside on this whole CO2 injection thing, does anyone know of
using the CO2 cylinders for paintball guns and bike tire inflators as
a small source of CO2? I know that they only come in 8g, 16g, and 25g
sizes, but for a small tank like mine I think that 25g would last a
few weeks. That is based on the assumption that I lose 15mg/l/day,
which is an out-of-the-air guess. The benefit (to me, at least) is
that a small tank setup can't elegantly accomodate a large CO2
cylinder and regulator -- seems like overkill.

Any opinions or personal experience?

-- tomo