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June 3rd 04, 08:54 PM
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SERIOUS ETHICAL question about what i've done
So during last spring semester at college I lived in a frathouse with
the majority of my fellow brothers. On of the brothers is a complete piece of trash. I mean real scum. This guy would skim hundreds of dollars out of our dues fund to furnish his room and pay for his share of the rent. He is also disgustingly fat and smells like horse crap, but that is another matter. I'm just trying to set the stage for what a dishonest, self-absorbed disgusting freak this guy is. Anyway, the only thing he liked more then eating and being an asshole and watching TV was his fishtank. From what I could estimate it was about an 80 gallon thing. Huge. He had all sorts of fish in it which he always boasted about paying lots of money for. I always thought to myself "yeah, money you imbezzled from the house fund." There were beautiful fish of all sizes in it and I must admit for as big a jerk as he was, he did a good job setting it up. Anyway, to get to the point, one day I got fed up with this asshole and when he wasnt there I snuck into his room and poured an entire bottle of aristocrat vodka into the tank. Needless to say, a holocaust ensued. By the next night, EVERY SINGLE fish in the tank had been wiped out. There were even some around the tank on the floor which means they must have jump to their doom in order to escape the agony of the toxic water. You couldn't even see into the tank there were so many floaters. Let me tell you how ****ed this guy was, he ended up fistfighting like half the brotherhood in his rage. He never suspected me for some reason tho so i got away SCOT-FREE. My question is, is there an ethical concern for massacring so many fish? Or was I justified because this guy was such a waste of life? At anyrate, the plan worked perfect, and I slept better then I have in a long time. -Slick 
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#3
June 3rd 04, 09:42 PM
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what a loser
Someone should tell this moron, that he can't hide behind a computer...
OrgName: Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) OrgID: SAICS-2 Address: 10260 Campus Point Drive City: San Diego StateProv: CA PostalCode: 92121 Country: US NetRange: 198.151.8.0 - 198.151.15.255 CIDR: 198.151.8.0/21 NetName: NETBLK-SAIC NetHandle: NET-198-151-8-0-1 Parent: NET-198-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Assignment NameServer: CPES1.SAIC.COM NameServer: MCLES1.SAIC.COM Comment: RegDate: 1993-05-06 Updated: 2004-01-30 TechHandle: SAIC-NIC-ARIN TechName: Network Information Center TechPhone: +1-858-826-2511 TechEmail: OrgNOCHandle: SAIC-NIC-ARIN OrgNOCName: Network Information Center OrgNOCPhone: +1-858-826-2511 OrgNOCEmail: OrgTechHandle: MVB2-ARIN OrgTechName: Berryman, Mark OrgTechPhone: +1-858-826-7603 OrgTechEmail:
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#4
June 3rd 04, 11:58 PM
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what a loser
Woohoo! Go for it RedForeman! (thinks "must always be nice to RedForeman")
I'm impressed that you can find out so much info about this loser. "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... Someone should tell this moron, that he can't hide behind a computer... OrgName: Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) OrgID: SAICS-2 Address: 10260 Campus Point Drive City: San Diego StateProv: CA PostalCode: 92121 Country: US NetRange: 198.151.8.0 - 198.151.15.255 CIDR: 198.151.8.0/21 NetName: NETBLK-SAIC NetHandle: NET-198-151-8-0-1 Parent: NET-198-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Assignment NameServer: CPES1.SAIC.COM NameServer: MCLES1.SAIC.COM Comment: RegDate: 1993-05-06 Updated: 2004-01-30 TechHandle: SAIC-NIC-ARIN TechName: Network Information Center TechPhone: +1-858-826-2511 TechEmail: OrgNOCHandle: SAIC-NIC-ARIN OrgNOCName: Network Information Center OrgNOCPhone: +1-858-826-2511 OrgNOCEmail: OrgTechHandle: MVB2-ARIN OrgTechName: Berryman, Mark OrgTechPhone: +1-858-826-7603 OrgTechEmail:
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#5
June 4th 04, 03:37 AM
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what a loser
On 03 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by RedForeman ©®'s opinion
about... Someone should tell this moron, that he can't hide behind a computer... OrgName: Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) OrgID: SAICS-2 Address: 10260 Campus Point Drive City: San Diego StateProv: CA PostalCode: 92121 Country: US NetRange: 198.151.8.0 - 198.151.15.255 CIDR: 198.151.8.0/21 NetName: NETBLK-SAIC NetHandle: NET-198-151-8-0-1 Parent: NET-198-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Assignment NameServer: CPES1.SAIC.COM NameServer: MCLES1.SAIC.COM Comment: RegDate: 1993-05-06 Updated: 2004-01-30 TechHandle: SAIC-NIC-ARIN TechName: Network Information Center TechPhone: +1-858-826-2511 TechEmail: OrgNOCHandle: SAIC-NIC-ARIN OrgNOCName: Network Information Center OrgNOCPhone: +1-858-826-2511 OrgNOCEmail: OrgTechHandle: MVB2-ARIN OrgTechName: Berryman, Mark OrgTechPhone: +1-858-826-7603 OrgTechEmail: Woohoo! Way to go Red! kev -- Civilization. An organized system of alternatives to the stone age - CJCherryh
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#6
June 4th 04, 03:40 AM
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what a loser
Most impressive Red.... Out of idle curiousity, I'd love to know how
you got a hold of all that information.
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#7
June 4th 04, 06:32 AM
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what a loser
On 3 Jun 2004 19:40:33 -0700, (Dances With Ferrets)
bubbled forth the following: Most impressive Red.... Out of idle curiousity, I'd love to know how you got a hold of all that information. I'm not Red, but I can give an answer. It's really pretty simple. I think you can use software like SpamCop to get info on news messages -- I know it works on mail, not sure about news. Or you can do it manually: First have to show the message headers. You used Google Groups to post, so when viewing the message click "View this article only" then "Original Format". to show the headers. I can see you used Google by the following 2 lines: Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: (If you use a newsreader, it will be revealed. The message you replied to posted by cabaloz shows he uses Outlook Express: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409) The posters IP address is in the message headers. According to your post, your IP is : NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.161.51.96 Take the IP address to http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html and search. That shows your provider is Search results for: 69.161.51.96 Adelphia Cable Communications Adelphia Cable Communications ADELPHIA-CABLE-7 (NET-69-160-0-0-1) 69.160.0.0 - 69.175.255.255 Adelphia 69-161-32-0-Z3 (NET-69-161-32-0-1) 69.161.32.0 - 69.161.63.255 Click the link for the subnet or the IP (69.161.32.0-69.161.63.255 and you get the following: CustName: Adelphia Address: 1 North Main Street City: Coudersport StateProv: PA PostalCode: 16915 Country: US RegDate: 2003-12-22 Updated: 2003-12-22 NetRange: 69.161.32.0 - 69.161.63.255 CIDR: 69.161.32.0/19 NetName: 69-161-32-0-Z3 NetHandle: NET-69-161-32-0-1 Parent: NET-69-160-0-0-1 NetType: Reassigned Comment: RegDate: 2003-12-22 Updated: 2003-12-22 OrgAbuseHandle: IPE-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Internet Policy Enforcement OrgAbusePhone: +1-866-473-2909 OrgAbuseEmail: OrgTechHandle: CKI8-ARIN OrgTechName: Kio, Carolyn OrgTechPhone: +1-888-512-5111 OrgTechEmail: # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-06-03 19:15 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. Once you have the info, you can sometimes get even more by going to the company web site, just tack www in from of the email domain, in this case www.adelphiacom.net. If you follow the Parent link, you can find the provider of the company in question (unless the company is a top level provider, as SAIC and Adelphia appear to be). Some companies ignore complaints about spam from there system, as it can be a lot of work tracking down the culprit. Complain to the business's ISP, and have them face the potential loss of their internet connection, and they suddenly become more cooperative. HTH Jerry
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#8
June 4th 04, 08:06 AM
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what a loser
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:32:24 GMT, The Outcaste
wrote: If you follow the Parent link, you can find the provider of the company in question (unless the company is a top level provider, as SAIC and Adelphia appear to be). Some companies ignore complaints SAIC is a large government contractor in southern cal, not an ISP. Chuck Gadd http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua
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#9
June 4th 04, 12:38 PM
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what a loser
You can always drop into command prompt and play with nbstat switches, that usually gives you some pretty accurate info. -- **So long, and thanks for all the fish!** "The Outcaste" wrote in message ... On 3 Jun 2004 19:40:33 -0700, (Dances With Ferrets) bubbled forth the following: Most impressive Red.... Out of idle curiousity, I'd love to know how you got a hold of all that information. I'm not Red, but I can give an answer. It's really pretty simple. I think you can use software like SpamCop to get info on news messages -- I know it works on mail, not sure about news. Or you can do it manually: First have to show the message headers. You used Google Groups to post, so when viewing the message click "View this article only" then "Original Format". to show the headers. I can see you used Google by the following 2 lines: Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: (If you use a newsreader, it will be revealed. The message you replied to posted by cabaloz shows he uses Outlook Express: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409) The posters IP address is in the message headers. According to your post, your IP is : NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.161.51.96 Take the IP address to http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html and search. That shows your provider is Search results for: 69.161.51.96 Adelphia Cable Communications Adelphia Cable Communications ADELPHIA-CABLE-7 (NET-69-160-0-0-1) 69.160.0.0 - 69.175.255.255 Adelphia 69-161-32-0-Z3 (NET-69-161-32-0-1) 69.161.32.0 - 69.161.63.255 Click the link for the subnet or the IP (69.161.32.0-69.161.63.255 and you get the following: CustName: Adelphia Address: 1 North Main Street City: Coudersport StateProv: PA PostalCode: 16915 Country: US RegDate: 2003-12-22 Updated: 2003-12-22 NetRange: 69.161.32.0 - 69.161.63.255 CIDR: 69.161.32.0/19 NetName: 69-161-32-0-Z3 NetHandle: NET-69-161-32-0-1 Parent: NET-69-160-0-0-1 NetType: Reassigned Comment: RegDate: 2003-12-22 Updated: 2003-12-22 OrgAbuseHandle: IPE-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Internet Policy Enforcement OrgAbusePhone: +1-866-473-2909 OrgAbuseEmail: OrgTechHandle: CKI8-ARIN OrgTechName: Kio, Carolyn OrgTechPhone: +1-888-512-5111 OrgTechEmail: # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-06-03 19:15 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. Once you have the info, you can sometimes get even more by going to the company web site, just tack www in from of the email domain, in this case www.adelphiacom.net. If you follow the Parent link, you can find the provider of the company in question (unless the company is a top level provider, as SAIC and Adelphia appear to be). Some companies ignore complaints about spam from there system, as it can be a lot of work tracking down the culprit. Complain to the business's ISP, and have them face the potential loss of their internet connection, and they suddenly become more cooperative. HTH Jerry
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#10
June 4th 04, 09:20 PM
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what a loser
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:06:16 -0600, Chuck Gadd
bubbled forth the following: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:32:24 GMT, The Outcaste wrote: If you follow the Parent link, you can find the provider of the company in question (unless the company is a top level provider, as SAIC and Adelphia appear to be). Some companies ignore complaints SAIC is a large government contractor in southern cal, not an ISP. Chuck Gadd http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua You're right, didn't mean to imply they were an ISP. Used to be you could follow the Parent link back through all the ISPs supplying a company's internet connection until you reached one of the major backbone providers, such as, Sprint, MCI, UUNet, etc. Now IP ranges may be directly allocated by ARIN, APNIC, RIPE, etc, so the provider of a company internet connection is harder to track down. -- Consider the postage stamp, my son. It secures success through its ability to stick to one thing till it gets there. Josh Billings
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