Enlarging my pond, please advise

I'm glad (and a bit surprised) to hear that some folks have had success
joining two liners together. I tried to join a small pond and a big pond
and it was a two year disaster. In retrospect I guess I never did it
'right'.

If you do it make very very very sure that both liners are 100% clean...and
then clean them again!

Brian Tarbox



"Sue Alexandre" wrote in message
news:NTSOa.57869$G6.41418@lakeread04...
Good luck, Ice. Sounds like you're well on your way to a new and
improved
pond! Will you be seaming the two liners together while the old one
is
still in the pond, or will you be completely removing it? I tried to do
mine without taking it out, and had to deal with folds and creases, but
other than being more difficult that way, I still think it worked OK. Get
yourself a 2" x 4" board or something straight and rigid and place that
under the area you're seaming so you can press down hard and get a good,
tight seam. They never mentioned on the directions anything about the
ideal temperature for performing this task, but I found the day I used it
(completely sunny and in the 90's) was actually too hot to be working
successfully with it, especially on BLACK liners. As I mentioned, the
sticky part of the seaming tape is like tar, and it became TOO gooey and
sticky to work with easily in that kind of heat. I actually found myself
rubbing ice cubes on the paper portion to get it to "let go" of the black
tar. Good luck - I'm sure you'll do fine.
Sue
"IceEros" wrote in message
s.com...
I have found that "seam tape" Sue, thank you for your advice. It has
been recommended by others too so i'm gonna go for it....
To buy that tape is gonna cost me no more £25 while to buy a whole new
liner for the size I need is gonna cost me £276!!!!!
Already I have to give away the old (OLD!!!!! are not even 4 months)
pump,filter and UV almost for nothing, at least I can keep the liner. I
know is a chance I take trying to glue the old and new liner together
but is worth taking it.
276-25 = £251. I add another £140 and I can buy a new pump, UV, vortex
and filter for the new pond.
Once again thanks for the advice Sue....i'm gonna "stick" with the
tape...
--
IceEros
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As far as the color of the liner, i think it will be growing a thin
coat of green anyway, so i'm not sure it would matter.

I could be wrong, of course.





On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:52:02 GMT, IceEros
wrote:

I used to be indecisive........now I'm not sure anymore.....
I have turned around and (hopefully) FINALLY decided to go for liner in
one piece. The reason for that is because I've found a source that sell
at factory price, butyl 0.75mm liner with 35 years guarantee. I am
willing to pay their price which is 3 times cheaper than the one found
in any shop. Another reason for going for one piece liner is because
I'm kinda fed up with black liner and the company I found sells liner
in black, green, sky blue and sandstone. Which gives me another
dilema....sandstone or skyblue???????????. I am still waiting for the
samples so (maybe) when I get them may be easier to take my decision.
Skyblue brings the best color in fish(most of shows use blue liner for
koi display) and I am very tempted BUT may look ugly like hell if the
whole garden in context. Sandstone may blend better with the rest of
the garden.....anyway.....i will see.
Regarding your question Sue, I was going to take out the old liner
altogether anyway. Mainly because I am gonna increase the depth of the
pond (now at an average of 2.5ft and i want to go an average of 5ft).
Actually that was my intention in the first place but my gf stopped me
at that time. Four months later, 5 more books red and £800 spent on 4
fishes she has decided to sacrifice half of the garden in favour of
fish. So back to the drawing board ( I meant to the shovel!!!!). From
500 gallon pond to 5000 gallons pond is a big jump. Also a big jump
(read NOSEDIVE) in our bank account as the whole filtration system
needs changed and the new one is gonna cost about £1800. Anyway I have
pics of the garden the way it was 5 months ago, the way is now and as
soon as i'm done I will make a website with all the steps taken.
To all the people who decided to reply to my thread a big thank you.

I used to be indecisive........now I'm not sure anymore.....
I have turned around and (hopefully) FINALLY decided to go for liner in
one piece. The reason for that is because I've found a source that sell
at factory price, butyl 0.75mm liner with 35 years guarantee. I am
willing to pay their price which is 3 times cheaper than the one found
in any shop. Another reason for going for one piece liner is because
I'm kinda fed up with black liner and the company I found sells liner
in black, green, sky blue and sandstone. Which gives me another
dilema....sandstone or skyblue???????????. I am still waiting for the
samples so (maybe) when I get them may be easier to take my decision.
Skyblue brings the best color in fish(most of shows use blue liner for
koi display) and I am very tempted BUT may look ugly like hell if the
whole garden in context. Sandstone may blend better with the rest of
the garden.....anyway.....i will see.
Regarding your question Sue, I was going to take out the old liner
altogether anyway. Mainly because I am gonna increase the depth of the
pond (now at an average of 2.5ft and i want to go an average of 5ft).
Actually that was my intention in the first place but my gf stopped me
at that time. Four months later, 5 more books red and £800 spent on 4
fishes she has decided to sacrifice half of the garden in favour of
fish. So back to the drawing board ( I meant to the shovel!!!!). From
500 gallon pond to 5000 gallons pond is a big jump. Also a big jump
(read NOSEDIVE) in our bank account as the whole filtration system
needs changed and the new one is gonna cost about £1800. Anyway I have
pics of the garden the way it was 5 months ago, the way is now and as
soon as i'm done I will make a website with all the steps taken.
To all the people who decided to reply to my thread a big thank you.
--
IceEros
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:11:38 GMT, IceEros
wrote:

I'm afraid that you are not wrong at all Jammer and that may be the case
after a while. I dont think I will be prepared to use the vaccum
cleaner at least twice a week to keep the liner at original color

I dont know if without scrubbing it, that would be possible, and we
aren't supposed to scrub it, right??

I'm afraid that you are not wrong at all Jammer and that may be the case
after a while. I dont think I will be prepared to use the vaccum
cleaner at least twice a week to keep the liner at original color
--
IceEros
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I'm afraid that you are not wrong at all Jammer and that may be the case
after a while. I dont think I will be prepared to use the vaccum
cleaner at least twice a week to keep the liner at original color

I dont know if without scrubbing it, that would be possible, and we
aren't supposed to scrub it, right??

That's right, jammer, after all it's a pond, not a swimming pool for
people. Black liner will make any pond look deep and mysterious, and
covers a whole hosts of sins like folds plus it doesn't clash with the
color green = algae. Not to mention, it doesn't reflect light, so the only
thing that does is the living jewels swiming around within and above the
liner. ~ jan

PS. I could only see the poster's posts via jammer's replies.

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jammer wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:11:38 GMT, IceEros
wrote:


I'm afraid that you are not wrong at all Jammer and that may be the case
after a while. I dont think I will be prepared to use the vaccum
cleaner at least twice a week to keep the liner at original color


I dont know if without scrubbing it, that would be possible, and we
aren't supposed to scrub it, right??


-- I vote for the sandstone at least while it shows it will loook natural





John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

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