what is on when cycling a tank

I finally got my new 29g to not shock me anymore (an electrician ran a
dedicated 20A circuit with a GFCI for me)

Now, with the chiller pulling the water down from a steamy 90F to 80F, I am
ready to drop a shrimp into the water to make ammonia and cycle the tank.
What I need to know is this:

Do I run my lights during the cycling ? If so, how much ? 8hours/day ?

Do I run my PS during the cycling period ?

What about my UV sterilizer ?

anyone ? (Marc ?)

Thanks in advance.

Maybe you would better get some book for beginners?
There you will find everything you need, step by step :-)

Or maybe search archive, www.google.com - cycling
is a very popular subject, repeated on this ng many times ;-)


"plaguebeast" wrote in message .. .
I finally got my new 29g to not shock me anymore (an electrician ran a
dedicated 20A circuit with a GFCI for me)

Now, with the chiller pulling the water down from a steamy 90F to 80F, I am
ready to drop a shrimp into the water to make ammonia and cycle the tank.
What I need to know is this:

Do I run my lights during the cycling ? If so, how much ? 8hours/day ?

Do I run my PS during the cycling period ?

What about my UV sterilizer ?

anyone ? (Marc ?)

Thanks in advance.

do you already have LR in the tank???

if not you can easily leave off the lights, if so, it will do good to keep them on whats
best depends on what you want, with just LR a shorter photoperiod will reduce bad algae
growth, but also not support the good algae the lights wont effect the cycle itself. if
your protein skimmer is new run this now also, it will require a break in time, might as
well have it ready when your tank is, leave the UV off, now is the time you want all the
bugs you can get, if you really want to use a UV turn it on only when there are fish in
the tank, if its a reef leave it off, you really dont want it, if its a FO as soon as the
fish go in turn it on.

--
richard reynolds

So, since I have LR and LS, I want to run the lights, but in a greatly
reduced cycle

I should also run the PS since it is new.

I should leave the UV off until the cycling is done and I put fish in the
tank.

This is a FOWLR, I have no intentions to put corals in it.

But I am curious, I have another tank, a 37g, and I would like to put corals
in it, or at least an anemone, should I not run the UV on that tank ? Not
even for 1 hour a day?

"richard reynolds" wrote in message
. ..
do you already have LR in the tank???

if not you can easily leave off the lights, if so, it will do good to keep
them on whats
best depends on what you want, with just LR a shorter photoperiod will
reduce bad algae
growth, but also not support the good algae the lights wont effect the
cycle itself. if
your protein skimmer is new run this now also, it will require a break in
time, might as
well have it ready when your tank is, leave the UV off, now is the time
you want all the
bugs you can get, if you really want to use a UV turn it on only when
there are fish in
the tank, if its a reef leave it off, you really dont want it, if its a FO
as soon as the
fish go in turn it on.

--
richard reynolds

"richard reynolds" wrote in message
. ..
So, since I have LR and LS, I want to run the lights, but in a greatly
reduced cycle

I should also run the PS since it is new.

exactly

I should leave the UV off until the cycling is done and I put fish in
the
tank.

This is a FOWLR, I have no intentions to put corals in it.

But I am curious, I have another tank, a 37g, and I would like to put
corals
in it, or at least an anemone, should I not run the UV on that tank ?
Not
even for 1 hour a day?

you really shouldnt even run a UV on a FOWLR but definately not on a tank
with an anemone
even for 1 minute a month

UV's belong on FW, FO and even more so on preditor tanks with very very
few exceptions and
you would know if you fit into one already.


--
richard reynolds




thanks very much for the information.

While I am still a bit confused about the UV I will do some research rather
then asking you a bunch of already asked questions.

Trying to by funny?

Get the book, dude... for the sake of the health of critters you are gonna put in your tank.
All basic questions will be answered there... No need to repost everything on this ng.

Please, treat this ng as your *additional* not the only source of knowledge if you do not
want to make a lot of avoidable mistakes as a beginner.

"plaguebeast" wrote in message ...
tampons are in on sale at Walgreens.


"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
Maybe you would better get some book for beginners?
There you will find everything you need, step by step :-)

Or maybe search archive, www.google.com - cycling
is a very popular subject, repeated on this ng many times ;-)


"plaguebeast" wrote in message
.. .
I finally got my new 29g to not shock me anymore (an electrician ran a
dedicated 20A circuit with a GFCI for me)

Now, with the chiller pulling the water down from a steamy 90F to 80F, I
am
ready to drop a shrimp into the water to make ammonia and cycle the
tank.
What I need to know is this:

Do I run my lights during the cycling ? If so, how much ? 8hours/day ?

Do I run my PS during the cycling period ?

What about my UV sterilizer ?

anyone ? (Marc ?)

Thanks in advance.

thanks very much for the information.

While I am still a bit confused about the UV I will do some research rather
then asking you a bunch of already asked questions.

to get you started on your search DSB's and LR almost require some plankton in the water,
this can come from very many sources, including other life in/on the DSB/LR the UV will
kill these making them useless. along that line some things will breed in your tank
without intervention they require the release of different life stages into the
watercolumn you would be killing these also making reproduction for some things harder.
also the benifit in removing things like ich, it really doesnt work all that well at it,
it takes masive turn overs through a UV to kill ich and to get massive turnovers you would
need a major huge UV as contact time is a requirement otherwise UV cant do its job. and to
top off all of that it adds heat to the water.

in the end removal of parasites before introduction and thru preditation is the only
method that works reliably and with out harm to your tank UV's will kill needed organisms,
cost more money, and add heat to the water none of those things is desired in a reef, it
makes successful reef keeping much harder

--
richard reynolds

My response was VERY HELPFUL and if you would bother to check
www.google.com you would learn that your questions were asked
here many, many times already. For people sitting here for
months/years it is really boring when another newbie comes
and asks the same set of 10 questions over and over again...

Seeing another "hungry" man I wanted to give you fishing rod
instead to feed your immediate hunger with a fish given on
a plate, like Rich has done.

And your comments about how much of your time I am worth
or other, similarly brilliant, about tampons at Walgreens
just show how impolite you can be. Think a moment on this: how
much of my time are *YOU* worth? I have spent too much already.

Good luck with your reef... and good bye!

"plaguebeast" wrote in message .. .
I have probably read more books on the subject then you. Those books are
filled with different ideas.

This group has at least two people in it, Reynolds and Marc, that seem to
know more then I have read in my books.

I was not asking to be spoon fed information that I could find in a book, I
was looking for insight from people who have more experience then me. I
like to get many different viewpoints.

Your message was nasty and demeaning, and to say the least, not helpful.

Since I could not resist stooping to your level and explaining myself, I
might as well add insult to injury....

Ohh, never mind, you aren't worth my time.


"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
Trying to by funny?

Get the book, dude... for the sake of the health of critters you are gonna
put in your tank.
All basic questions will be answered there... No need to repost everything
on this ng.

Please, treat this ng as your *additional* not the only source of
knowledge if you do not
want to make a lot of avoidable mistakes as a beginner.

"plaguebeast" wrote in message
...
tampons are in on sale at Walgreens.


"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
Maybe you would better get some book for beginners?
There you will find everything you need, step by step :-)

Or maybe search archive, www.google.com - cycling
is a very popular subject, repeated on this ng many times ;-)


"plaguebeast" wrote in message
.. .
I finally got my new 29g to not shock me anymore (an electrician ran
a
dedicated 20A circuit with a GFCI for me)

Now, with the chiller pulling the water down from a steamy 90F to
80F, I
am
ready to drop a shrimp into the water to make ammonia and cycle the
tank.
What I need to know is this:

Do I run my lights during the cycling ? If so, how much ?
8hours/day ?

Do I run my PS during the cycling period ?

What about my UV sterilizer ?

anyone ? (Marc ?)

Thanks in advance.

"plaguebeast" wrote in message
.. .
I have probably read more books on the subject then you. Those books are
filled with different ideas.

LOL. So are the people here.

This group has at least two people in it, Reynolds and Marc, that seem to
know more then I have read in my books.

What books, specifically, have you read? (Not trying to demean
Marc or Richard at all, they have a lot of good experience, but rather
trying to get a reference point on *your* info learned so far)

Your message was nasty and demeaning, and to say the least, not helpful.

Actually, it was quite helpful. Cycling has been discussed
*many* times since I've been frequenting this group (over 2.5 years
of lurking and posting) and that was pointed out and also how to
get to those threads (google this group)

As I've gotten older, I've realized that it's not so much *what* I
know, but whether or not I can find the answer quickly to a question
that I'm searching for using various techniques I've learned over the
years (reference books, internet search, friends, etc) Googling for
past threads on this topic is one such method of finding out what you
don't know. Do your homework before expecting people to just
hand feed you their hard earned knowledge.

Ohh, never mind, you aren't worth my time.

And I'm actually thinking the same about responding to you. Prove
me wrong and show me how much research you've done so far.
For example, what are the conflicting sources you've read about
using a UV on a reef tank? Why would you drop a shrimp in the
tank to make ammonia when you already have LR?

Cheers,
Dave Johnson

For example, what are the conflicting sources you've read about
using a UV on a reef tank? Why would you drop a shrimp in the
tank to make ammonia when you already have LR


This link talks about how the LR and LS help to jump start the biological
filter created by the LR and the LS. It also says that you still have to
cycle the tank even if you have LR.
http://saltaquarium.about.com/gi/dyn...Farticles.html


My questions were about items I found in conflict with each other. One
book I have, maybe Sal****er Aquariums for Dummies, says only good things
about having a UV, other sources say it will prevent an effective biological
filter . Whether or not the UV is on during the cycling process was
something I was not sure of. Now it seems as though the UV should never be
on.

I also wanted to know if my PS was supposed to be on during the cycling
process. Again, different articles and people seem to disagree.

Now, tell me why you are so willing to expend energy to give me grief but
not willing to expend energy to just answer my question or send me a link to
a site that you feel might be helpful. I don't mean Google.

The fact that you are ignoring is that there are so many beliefs and
contradictions it becomes hard to know what is right and what is wrong. I
have been reading this group for a long time. I felt that Marc and Reynolds
were pretty knowledgeable. I wanted their opinions. Maybe I could have
looked up their previous posts on Google. I just did not think about it.
Maybe I am a lazy ****, maybe I just didn't have time, who knows.

From now on, instead of spending your time giving me ****, why don't you
just ignore me. Wouldn't that just be easier for everyone ?


http://www.tahoereefs.com/nitrogen_cycle.htm
"Dave Johnson" wrote in message
gy.com...
"plaguebeast" wrote in message
.. .
I have probably read more books on the subject then you. Those books
are
filled with different ideas.

LOL. So are the people here.

This group has at least two people in it, Reynolds and Marc, that seem
to
know more then I have read in my books.

What books, specifically, have you read? (Not trying to demean
Marc or Richard at all, they have a lot of good experience, but rather
trying to get a reference point on *your* info learned so far)

Your message was nasty and demeaning, and to say the least, not helpful.

Actually, it was quite helpful. Cycling has been discussed
*many* times since I've been frequenting this group (over 2.5 years
of lurking and posting) and that was pointed out and also how to
get to those threads (google this group)

As I've gotten older, I've realized that it's not so much *what* I
know, but whether or not I can find the answer quickly to a question
that I'm searching for using various techniques I've learned over the
years (reference books, internet search, friends, etc) Googling for
past threads on this topic is one such method of finding out what you
don't know. Do your homework before expecting people to just
hand feed you their hard earned knowledge.

Ohh, never mind, you aren't worth my time.

And I'm actually thinking the same about responding to you. Prove
me wrong and show me how much research you've done so far.
For example, what are the conflicting sources you've read about
using a UV on a reef tank? Why would you drop a shrimp in the
tank to make ammonia when you already have LR?

Cheers,
Dave Johnson