Can fish have brain damage???

I've noticed that while Goldie's mouth moves, only one of its gills seems to
open fully. Maybe the lack of air gave it a stroke? I'll take it out of the
tank and hand feed it from the "sick bucket" tomorrow. It's much easier to do
from the bucket than chase it around a 50 gal tank, and I'll know if anything
goes in or out of it....

"Magic menagerie" wrote in message
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I've noticed that while Goldie's mouth moves, only one of its gills seems
to
open fully. Maybe the lack of air gave it a stroke? I'll take it out of
the
tank and hand feed it from the "sick bucket" tomorrow. It's much easier
to do
from the bucket than chase it around a 50 gal tank, and I'll know if
anything
goes in or out of it....

Loss of motor function to one side of the body (hemiperisis) following a
stroke presents most severely in the extremities (e.g. foot & hand are
weaker than thigh & shoulder in the case of humans). Motor function closest
to body core is typically less affected. In a GF I'd expect fins to be more
severely affected than gills.. Is Goldie's fin movement reduced on affected
side?
~ Matt

No, other than it's left gill being almost non moving, it seems ok. Fins move
fine. It's in the bucket again with an airstone and tunnel piece. I tried to
get it to eat, but it just spits it out again. Doesn't seem to notice it's
fave shrimpies. I tried to see what was causing the gill cover to "stick", but
can't figure it out. I tried to gently move it, and it seems kinda ok, but then
just closes up again. It was too easy to grab it out of the tank. It's too
passive, and doesn't give much of a struggle... Something is seriously wrong,
I just can't pinpoint it....

It's been in the sick bucket for almost a day now. I had to change it to a
fresher atmosphere as the bucket from last night was pretty rank by this
morning! WHEW! Still not eating but now it's isolated, can now notice
excrement. Long thin and white. Just proves it's not eating... Ignored the
shrimpies treat from last night. Tried to get it to eat peas or shrimp, but
just clamps up... Stubborn fish... Just swims past food... Left gill still
almost clamped shut (minimal movement)... Don't know why... That's why I was
thinking a stroke? Still too docile and easy to catch, doesn't put up much of
a struggle at all - not like before all of this... Wish I knew how to make it
better.... Makes me crazy...

fresh water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons, no additives, dissolve first, add
slowly. change the water more often if there is detectable ammonia in the bucket.
long thin white poops are bacterial maybe eggs mixed in. Ingrid

(Magic menagerie) wrote:
It's been in the sick bucket for almost a day now. I had to change it to a
fresher atmosphere as the bucket from last night was pretty rank by this
morning! WHEW! Still not eating but now it's isolated, can now notice
excrement. Long thin and white. Just proves it's not eating... Ignored the
shrimpies treat from last night. Tried to get it to eat peas or shrimp, but
just clamps up... Stubborn fish... Just swims past food... Left gill still
almost clamped shut (minimal movement)... Don't know why... That's why I was
thinking a stroke? Still too docile and easy to catch, doesn't put up much of
a struggle at all - not like before all of this... Wish I knew how to make it
better.... Makes me crazy...



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Why is the gill almost clamped shut? Can I use rock salt (like for ice cream)?
I don't think it has any iodine in it...

no idea.
yes, rock salt is best.


(Magic menagerie) wrote:

Why is the gill almost clamped shut? Can I use rock salt (like for ice cream)?
I don't think it has any iodine in it...



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Goldie is still in the bucket and still not eating... Excrement is long, long,
long (about 3-6") and still white, as expected when you aren't eating...

"You can put a fish in water, but you can't make it eat...."

Got a box of "Dr. Wellfish's Salt". A fancy name for evaporated sea salt...
Goldie feels pretty slimey. Left gill is still clamped. The other one only
works, sad to say, due to an accident that happed over a year ago. Before I
learned from Ingrid NOT to use a net to move fish, I did and it kinda, ahem,
did some right gill damage and tore the outer rim of the cover off... I have
since learned, and only use my hands, or a big cup to scoop them up.

Why does learning have to come with so much guilt for mistakes?

Anyway, should I try epsom salt in the bucket?

forget the sea salts... not a good idea. long and white suggest bacterial infection.
keep kanamycin or such in the water. fresh water and a bit of regular salt is all
that can be done right now, altho temp fish with chopped human grade shrimp. Ingrid

(Magic menagerie) wrote:

Goldie is still in the bucket and still not eating... Excrement is long, long,
long (about 3-6") and still white, as expected when you aren't eating...

"You can put a fish in water, but you can't make it eat...."

Got a box of "Dr. Wellfish's Salt". A fancy name for evaporated sea salt...
Goldie feels pretty slimey. Left gill is still clamped. The other one only
works, sad to say, due to an accident that happed over a year ago. Before I
learned from Ingrid NOT to use a net to move fish, I did and it kinda, ahem,
did some right gill damage and tore the outer rim of the cover off... I have
since learned, and only use my hands, or a big cup to scoop them up.

Why does learning have to come with so much guilt for mistakes?

Anyway, should I try epsom salt in the bucket?




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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
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Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Okie dokes. WIll see if our LFS has the kanamycin. I do have Maracyn and
Maracyn-II, but they didn't seem to work for last year's problems. How about
now? Or, aren't they your faves?

Ususally Goldie scarfs down the baby brine shrimp, but I'll see if I can get
some "people shrimp"... Also, maybe if I get the rock salt, it'll be a hint
for hubby to make some ice cream... ; )


Should I put Goldie back with the other two? If it were me, I know I'd be sick
of swimming in circles in a bucket for days... Also, Treasure, who's in the
tank, has some white bumps on it's tail and fins... Guess it's time for
another water change there... WHY is it this always happens when the temps
start getting warmer?

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