newbie queries...

Sophie,

Fish shops have a habit of giving bad info. Goldfish lovers have no hidden
agenda
giving out information, fish shops do. They want your cash.

I know of quite a few people who have kept White Clouds with goldfish.
I'd suggest doing regular water changes for the time being and definitely
getting
the test kits. You want to get a larger tank ASAP though otherwise your goldfish
could
stunt.

In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes
Sophie,

Fish shops have a habit of giving bad info. Goldfish lovers have no hidden
agenda
giving out information,

that's what I thought! I posted here because I thought I'd get nice
unbiased voices of experience.

fish shops do. They want your cash.

yes. sadly, this one made me feel very secure by refusing point blank to
sell me more than two goldfish to start with on the grounds that I
hadn't kept fish since I was a kid. They also were well aware of the
fact that I wanted to get a bigger tank - I assumed that if they were
after my money, big tank+hood+bits was more appealing than a few quid on
a couple of fish. or maybe they genuinely thought it was ok? anyway,
they seem(ed) genuine and caring. they certainly have good fish and
they're really helpful about stuff.

I know of quite a few people who have kept White Clouds with goldfish.
I'd suggest doing regular water changes for the time being

is 1/4 tank weekly ok? I got a gravel hoover thing so I can do that more
easily and regularly.

and definitely
getting
the test kits. You want to get a larger tank ASAP though otherwise your
goldfish
could
stunt.

I read an interesting article recently which suggested that the
"stunting" is due to concentrations of chemicals that the big fish give
out that inhibit growth in other fish - in a little tank, the
concentrations are high.

is the surface area to inch of fish equation serisouly wrong? how do I
work out how many fish it is kind to keep in what size tank? (and if it
involves gallons, are these american or uk? ;-) )

thanks for your reply, btw, I appreciate it - I'm just sorry it's raised
more questions!
--
sophie

As a basic rule for beginners you should ideally have an absolute minimum of
10 gallons of water per goldfish but the more the better.
Mel.


"sophie" wrote in message
...
In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes
Sophie,

Fish shops have a habit of giving bad info. Goldfish lovers have no
hidden
agenda
giving out information,

that's what I thought! I posted here because I thought I'd get nice
unbiased voices of experience.

fish shops do. They want your cash.

yes. sadly, this one made me feel very secure by refusing point blank to
sell me more than two goldfish to start with on the grounds that I
hadn't kept fish since I was a kid. They also were well aware of the
fact that I wanted to get a bigger tank - I assumed that if they were
after my money, big tank+hood+bits was more appealing than a few quid on
a couple of fish. or maybe they genuinely thought it was ok? anyway,
they seem(ed) genuine and caring. they certainly have good fish and
they're really helpful about stuff.

I know of quite a few people who have kept White Clouds with goldfish.
I'd suggest doing regular water changes for the time being

is 1/4 tank weekly ok? I got a gravel hoover thing so I can do that more
easily and regularly.

and definitely
getting
the test kits. You want to get a larger tank ASAP though otherwise your
goldfish
could
stunt.

I read an interesting article recently which suggested that the
"stunting" is due to concentrations of chemicals that the big fish give
out that inhibit growth in other fish - in a little tank, the
concentrations are high.

is the surface area to inch of fish equation serisouly wrong? how do I
work out how many fish it is kind to keep in what size tank? (and if it
involves gallons, are these american or uk? ;-) )

thanks for your reply, btw, I appreciate it - I'm just sorry it's raised
more questions!
--
sophie

In message , Mel
writes
As a basic rule for beginners you should ideally have an absolute minimum of
10 gallons of water per goldfish but the more the better.

Thanks Mel - so if this is UK gallons, I seem to have a tank the right
size for one goldfish, never mind three? The two original fish seem well
- they've grown a little since I got them, they're very shiny and
healthy looking and the colours are lovely; which I assume is good - but
I must obviously get a new tank.

Mel.


"sophie" wrote in message
...
In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes
Sophie,

Fish shops have a habit of giving bad info. Goldfish lovers have no
hidden
agenda
giving out information,

that's what I thought! I posted here because I thought I'd get nice
unbiased voices of experience.

fish shops do. They want your cash.

yes. sadly, this one made me feel very secure by refusing point blank to
sell me more than two goldfish to start with on the grounds that I
hadn't kept fish since I was a kid. They also were well aware of the
fact that I wanted to get a bigger tank - I assumed that if they were
after my money, big tank+hood+bits was more appealing than a few quid on
a couple of fish. or maybe they genuinely thought it was ok? anyway,
they seem(ed) genuine and caring. they certainly have good fish and
they're really helpful about stuff.

I know of quite a few people who have kept White Clouds with goldfish.
I'd suggest doing regular water changes for the time being

is 1/4 tank weekly ok? I got a gravel hoover thing so I can do that more
easily and regularly.

and definitely
getting
the test kits. You want to get a larger tank ASAP though otherwise your
goldfish
could
stunt.

I read an interesting article recently which suggested that the
"stunting" is due to concentrations of chemicals that the big fish give
out that inhibit growth in other fish - in a little tank, the
concentrations are high.

is the surface area to inch of fish equation serisouly wrong? how do I
work out how many fish it is kind to keep in what size tank? (and if it
involves gallons, are these american or uk? ;-) )

thanks for your reply, btw, I appreciate it - I'm just sorry it's raised
more questions!
--
sophie



--
sophie

sophie wrote:

In message , Mel
writes
As a basic rule for beginners you should ideally have an absolute minimum of
10 gallons of water per goldfish but the more the better.

Sophie, thats 10US gallons. Or 8UK gallons. Changing 25% of water would be good.
I'd sugest
a bit more as you are overstocked. Maybe 30-40%

In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes


sophie wrote:

In message , Mel
writes
As a basic rule for beginners you should ideally have an absolute minimum of
10 gallons of water per goldfish but the more the better.

Sophie, thats 10US gallons. Or 8UK gallons. Changing 25% of water would
be good.
I'd sugest
a bit more as you are overstocked. Maybe 30-40%

thanks Geezer.
I'd planned on 25% biweekly until I get the bigger tank, I hope this
will suffice.

my main concern about the bigger tank at the moment is that the room my
son is in at the moment is too little for a proper stand - the tank is
on top of a tall chest of drawers and I'm not sure if it would take the
weight of the water in a 30+ gallon tank... His new room won't be ready
for a while (and it's nearly ceiling high with junk at the moment, so I
can't even put the fish in there until it's sorted out.)

anyway, I'm hoping that some seriously conscientious looking-after will
do for the moment.

--
sophie

where is the information published? if not in a scientific publication for fish
keeping it cannot be relied upon.
mostly it is ammonia stunts fish. and not even the levels that can be measured. GF
put out a certain amount just resting and it both needs to be diluted and it needs to
be removed quickly or it can affect growth. then comes crowding and the stress that
brings. stress takes down the immune system leaving fish open to disease.

sophie wrote:
I read an interesting article recently which suggested that the
"stunting" is due to concentrations of chemicals that the big fish give
out that inhibit growth in other fish - in a little tank, the
concentrations are high.


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