Can fish have brain damage???

Yorkshire Pudding wrote:

I don't think it's a
case of "Can fish have brain damage?", more like a case of "Can the
posters have brain damage?"

Frequently, although I still follow our old dorm rule...

"No Pink Floyd before midnight."

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Jo Ann said I needed a second filter. She said goldfish need 3 gallons per
inch. I have 3-6" fish so this is about the most our 50-55 gallon tank can
handle. Can't afford another filter, but have emptied the tank about 1/3 to
1/2 and the ammonia levels are slowly coming down. Also got some ammo-carb
chips to reduce the ammonia. Took out the live plants as the ammonia was
killing them off.

Goldie still gets changed from buckets daily. Seems to help. Its eyes aren't
bugging out anymore and are starting to recess nicely. It's also starting to
eat again and actually comes to get the food. Jo Ann said to only feed them at
night and not several times a day. She said overfeeding leads to over ammonia.
(but they looked hungry!)

So, I am hoping to get the tank livable again soon as we are going on vacation
for a week and there won't be anyone to change Goldie from bucket to bucket
every day... It's looking better today. Tank sting is down from the 6.0 of
two days ago (HOW did it get that high so fast?) to 2.0 yesterday, to 1.0
today. I'm guessing the daily changes are helping as are the ammo-carbon
chips... I have the filter stuffed with them...

Looks like there may be hope to keep all three fishies.. : )

Thanks to Ingrid and Jo Ann, miracles CAN happen! Goldie is about well enough
to join the others. It's eating well, and swimming well too. Seems it's more
sensitive to the tank's ammonia than the others and it got toxic shock. I've
been working my backend off every day for about a month getting the tank
pristine again and nursing Goldie back to health.

"Yorkshire Pudding":
Try explaining to your little boy that you have to kill his beloved fish just
because it is sick... Then they wonder that if they get sick, you may kill them
off too... Thank goodness yours wasn't the only advise on these boards...
Your comments truly have proven your point of "Can the posters have brain
damage"...

GF always act and look like they are starving. If you cant get the tank "online"
then consider getting a 40 gallon rubbermaid tub and put the fish in there. but
remember, while on vacation you dont feed the fish and the water will be healthier
for it. Ingrid

(Magic menagerie) wrote:

Jo Ann said I needed a second filter. She said goldfish need 3 gallons per
inch. I have 3-6" fish so this is about the most our 50-55 gallon tank can
handle. Can't afford another filter, but have emptied the tank about 1/3 to
1/2 and the ammonia levels are slowly coming down. Also got some ammo-carb
chips to reduce the ammonia. Took out the live plants as the ammonia was
killing them off.

Goldie still gets changed from buckets daily. Seems to help. Its eyes aren't
bugging out anymore and are starting to recess nicely. It's also starting to
eat again and actually comes to get the food. Jo Ann said to only feed them at
night and not several times a day. She said overfeeding leads to over ammonia.
(but they looked hungry!)

So, I am hoping to get the tank livable again soon as we are going on vacation
for a week and there won't be anyone to change Goldie from bucket to bucket
every day... It's looking better today. Tank sting is down from the 6.0 of
two days ago (HOW did it get that high so fast?) to 2.0 yesterday, to 1.0
today. I'm guessing the daily changes are helping as are the ammo-carbon
chips... I have the filter stuffed with them...

Looks like there may be hope to keep all three fishies.. : )



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Can the fish live for over a week-ish with no food??? We would be gone from
June 2-12th. I was thinking of one of those battery operated fish feeders.
They kinda look like a pencil sharpener. I can't use the compressed tablets,
as the ones that say "good for up to 14 days" only last about 3...

The ammonia levels are coming down nicely. But the LFS said the salt level was
through the roof. This may be due to the Epsom salts I put in per Jo Ann. It
DID help the fish though and Treasure doesn't have any healing marks anymore.
I'm guessing it's time to get it out though...

While my hubby is away today, (when the cat's away, the fish can play) I am
going to purge the tank. It will probably take less time to cycle new water
than it would the try and correct bad water...

Even though the little "porkinhogs" scarf down food, they obviously don't
don't need all of us to feed them... ; )

The plants. I took the plants out. Do you think that once the ammonia started
to go up, it was killing the plants and they too started to add ammonia,
causing a death spiral in the tank? It seems once I got the plants out the
levels came down faster. It could have also been the constant water changes
too... This delicate balance is a harder science than it seems...

On 21 May 2004 12:03:54 GMT, (Magic menagerie)
wrote:

Thanks to Ingrid and Jo Ann, miracles CAN happen! Goldie is about well enough
to join the others. It's eating well, and swimming well too. Seems it's more
sensitive to the tank's ammonia than the others and it got toxic shock. I've
been working my backend off every day for about a month getting the tank
pristine again and nursing Goldie back to health.

"Yorkshire Pudding":
Try explaining to your little boy that you have to kill his beloved fish just
because it is sick... Then they wonder that if they get sick, you may kill them
off too... Thank goodness yours wasn't the only advise on these boards...
Your comments truly have proven your point of "Can the posters have brain
damage"...

Ever heard of "White lies"? or "Fish Heaven" ? I for one, when I was a
child, never thought my parents would kill me if I was ill after
they'd had to have one of our dogs put to sleep, I was told the reason
for their decision and saw sense. I hate to see any creature suffer
and sincerley hope that that Goldie makes a full recovery, I also
apologise for any offence my post may have caused to you.

Regards

YP

no problem at all for a couple weeks. forget the battery operated feeders, or worse,
the tablets. they foul the water and people come back to dead fish.
a hungry GF is a healthy GF. seriously, the fish will do fine with no food. water
will be in better shape.
I remember somebody else saying they thought their plants had made the ammonia spike.
yeah, it could be plant breaking down... no real idea. I sure wouldnt think plants
could "turn" on ya, but looks like they did. Ingrid

(Magic menagerie) wrote:

Can the fish live for over a week-ish with no food??? We would be gone from
June 2-12th. I was thinking of one of those battery operated fish feeders.
They kinda look like a pencil sharpener. I can't use the compressed tablets,
as the ones that say "good for up to 14 days" only last about 3...

The ammonia levels are coming down nicely. But the LFS said the salt level was
through the roof. This may be due to the Epsom salts I put in per Jo Ann. It
DID help the fish though and Treasure doesn't have any healing marks anymore.
I'm guessing it's time to get it out though...

While my hubby is away today, (when the cat's away, the fish can play) I am
going to purge the tank. It will probably take less time to cycle new water
than it would the try and correct bad water...

Even though the little "porkinhogs" scarf down food, they obviously don't
don't need all of us to feed them... ; )

The plants. I took the plants out. Do you think that once the ammonia started
to go up, it was killing the plants and they too started to add ammonia,
causing a death spiral in the tank? It seems once I got the plants out the
levels came down faster. It could have also been the constant water changes
too... This delicate balance is a harder science than it seems...



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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

"Magic menagerie" wrote in message
...

The plants. I took the plants out. Do you think that once the ammonia
started
to go up, it was killing the plants and they too started to add ammonia,
causing a death spiral in the tank? It seems once I got the plants out
the
levels came down faster. It could have also been the constant water
changes
too... This delicate balance is a harder science than it seems...

Yes, too much ammonia can kill plants. It 'burns' them, turning them brown.
And as they rot, they release all their stored nitrogen. At least, I'm
assuming that water plants act the same as terrestrial ones.


--
Laurie, Dark Phoenix

Error. Install universe and reboot.

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!!

Life for the fishies is looking a little better.

Yesderday, I purged the tank and took out about 80% of the water. Left enough
in so all the base rocks and plastic plants were still covered so as not to
lose too many of the possible biobugs living there. Got the live plants rinsed
off, and reloaded the tank. In the Emperor 280 filter, took one of the filters
out (it was getting old) and replaced it with a stuffed stocking with carbon,
and another one with ammo-carb chips... Let it set for a few hours and had the
levels tested at the LFS. Water is very clear, and all was fine. Put all the
fishies back in. Treasure and Blackfin are enjoying it and Goldie is still
cautious, but eating... Today, tested ammo levels, still looking good, Goldie
still cautious. It's looking better though and bug-eyes are back to normal.

Still going to keep an eye on it though. I'm feeding them less, and they seem
to notice as they are really going for the pothos ivy and sucking the bejeebers
out of it... Can't win. Either I overfeed them and the tank ammo-spikes, or I
don't and they try to herbicide my plants... They make you crazy... I'll be
watching the tank daily to see if it starts to cycle due to the amount of water
I took out... Thanks again everyone!

yeah, algae grows on submerged part of plants and the itty bitty critter GF like to
eat is around the algae so the fish are "cleaning" the plants.
Ingrid

(Magic menagerie) wrote:
they are really going for the pothos ivy and sucking the bejeebers
out of it... Can't win.


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Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
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compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.