pond filter

Ingrid,

I think this is the first time I've ever seen your pond, and I really like
the set-up -- not to mention the totally cool hanging fish (copper?
terracotta?)

Is that a walkway between the pond & the house? (I couldn't quite tell from
the pix.)

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC





wrote in message
...
there is nothing complicated at all.. just get plants that will live in
the filter.
they do need quite a bit of sun, but for a start water celery will grow
anywhere. I
was advised to use different plants as they each pull out different
things.
http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/ponds/8-2003.html
there is one roll of filtering material in the first part of the veggie
filter, it
and the whole filter gets cleaned in fall when I take most of the plants
in. the
water celery is not taken in. I start a new bunch each year. it grows
like crazy.
it is the big green batch in the lower right picture. Ingrid

I tried a veggie filter before this and I just wasted a bunch of money
on plants that died. I'm not saying veggie filters don't work but I
think it's more complicated than what people say.

Matt



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MattR wrote:


BenignVanilla wrote:

I tried a veggie filter before this and I just wasted a bunch of money



I am interested to hear more about this, as my VF is my only filtration.


Long story short: I built a 1300 gallon pond with 2 small koi and 4
shibunkin late one year.
sniped for brevity

People may tell you what works for them but it might not work for you
because, I suspect, people don't know what's going on in their own
ponds. However, pond store people know less so I'd stick with rec.ponds,
and add a grain of salt.

Matt


Mat
I have bought a bunch of plants on line and more here localy, on
line the y are much cheaper cost wise, yes

but they are also a lot smaller and have minimal roots, the ones I
have that survived (10 out of 100 plants) I had to put in the greenhouse
and nurse to growing size

I find its cheaper in the long run to pay more for a good healthy plant
that you can keep than the same for 10 or so that dont make it

my pennys worth
--





John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

MattR wrote:


john rutz wrote:

Mat
I have bought a bunch of plants on line and more here localy, on
line the y are much cheaper cost wise, yes

but they are also a lot smaller and have minimal roots, the ones I
have that survived (10 out of 100 plants) I had to put in the
greenhouse and nurse to growing size

I find its cheaper in the long run to pay more for a good healthy
plant that you can keep than the same for 10 or so that dont make it

my pennys worth


I agree with everything you say. I won't buy plants on the internet
again. I did buy plants at my local pond shop and while they had much
healthier roots they they haven't exactly taken off. My shot at the pond
store owners is directed more at the fact that if you walk in and tell
them you have green water they'll try and sell you a lot of expensive
stuff. I asked them about a veggie filter and they thought I was nuts.
"you can't plant iris in pea gravel, it needs nutrients, and the algae
needs a big UV light to kill the algae that's living on the nutrients in
the water." On the other hand, the just-add-plants mantra I see on the
internet is missing something because I tried it and it didn't work. I'm
hoping that a filter and a lot of plants work.

Matt



--

take a look at my veggie filter on my website, my water is clear and no
filter
right now my cattails are nearly 7 ft tall



John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

ahhhhhhh, you just HAD to mention salt .......now you done it.. we will now
have to hear all the pros & cons..

(VBG)


Muffin who found a bushel full of dirt on the bottom of her pond,,,,,,,, 2
plants had fallen over from their props,,,,,yuckkkkkkk (now what...)
..

People may tell you what works for them but it might not work for you
because, I suspect, people don't know what's going on in their own
ponds. However, pond store people know less so I'd stick with rec.ponds,
and add a grain of salt.

Matt

"*muffin*" wrote in message
...

ahhhhhhh, you just HAD to mention salt .......now you done it.. we will
now
have to hear all the pros & cons..

(VBG)


Muffin who found a bushel full of dirt on the bottom of her pond,,,,,,,,
2
plants had fallen over from their props,,,,,yuckkkkkkk (now what...)
.

People may tell you what works for them but it might not work for you
because, I suspect, people don't know what's going on in their own
ponds. However, pond store people know less so I'd stick with rec.ponds,
and add a grain of salt.

What is the proper dosage? How many grains with how much knowledge?

BV.

"ken" wrote in message
ws.com...
I am in the midst of making my own pond filter. I was going to use
charcoal brickets from the barbeque. A friend advised me to be
careful. Does anyone out there know if this is a good idea or not? If
not, what are the possible substitutes?
Thanks for all your help.

I am going to attempt to start a new elist trend here on rec.ponds and
suggest you abandon the SILLY idea of a bio-mechanical filter, and build a
VF. VF'ers rule. The yahoo's on this group with bio-mechanical filters are
just sadist that like doing too much work.

BV.

tee hee...that should ruffle some feather...seemed like a fun
troll...ooh...I am trolling rec.ponds. So much fun? *laugh* You guys know I
am kidding.

Kidding aside, you young pond whipper snapper, you'll be speaking another
tune when you REALLY get into maintenance this fall. Assuming you follow
our directions. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

I have decided to use a variation of the Skippy filter (simple design
and cost were the main reasons). I do thank everyone for all their
help and advise. I have one more question. Do I need to buy some
bacteria or will it occur naturally? Seems to me that naturally is the
way to go, but being new to ponds, I need all the help I can get. Can
anybody give me some advise on keeping crows out of my pond and
garden?
Thanks again.
Ken
--
ken
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posted via www.GardenBanter.co.uk

The bacteria that work will find their way to the pond. The bugs in a
bottle are good for digesting solids, particularly when they get thick, but
not for the nitrogen cycle.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"ken" wrote in message
news:1246e51797fee88fa3015d87870c7046@TeraNews...
I have decided to use a variation of the Skippy filter (simple design
and cost were the main reasons). I do thank everyone for all their
help and advise. I have one more question. Do I need to buy some
bacteria or will it occur naturally? Seems to me that naturally is the
way to go, but being new to ponds, I need all the help I can get.

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
"ken" wrote in message
ws.com...
I am in the midst of making my own pond filter. I was going to use
charcoal brickets from the barbeque. A friend advised me to be
careful. Does anyone out there know if this is a good idea or not? If
not, what are the possible substitutes?
Thanks for all your help.

I am going to attempt to start a new elist trend here on rec.ponds and
suggest you abandon the SILLY idea of a bio-mechanical filter, and build
a
VF. VF'ers rule. The yahoo's on this group with bio-mechanical filters
are
just sadist that like doing too much work.

BV.

tee hee...that should ruffle some feather...seemed like a fun
troll...ooh...I am trolling rec.ponds. So much fun? *laugh* You guys know
I
am kidding.

Kidding aside, you young pond whipper snapper, you'll be speaking another
tune when you REALLY get into maintenance this fall. Assuming you follow
our directions. ;o) ~ jan
snip

If my bottom drain does it's job, I should only need to clean out my VF
which is very easy since it is shallow. My only concern is that I to date
put off putting my diffuser on, so I know my BD is not being as effective as
it could be.

I realize I am green, but that won't stop me from being a smart a$$. All in
good fun, I certainly would not be so bold as to think I could run with you
big dogs. At least not until next year...if I come out of the winter with
living fish and a healthy pond, I'll ratchet my tude up a few notches. Next
year, I may even get involved in the salt wars.

For now, I will go back and not mess with my pond.

BV.

[major snippage here, as I'm not entirely sure who said what to whom]

*Somebody* said:

"I am going to attempt to start a new elist trend here on rec.ponds and
suggest you abandon the SILLY idea of a bio-mechanical filter, and build a
VF. VF'ers rule. The yahoo's on this group with bio-mechanical filters are
just sadist that like doing too much work."

I, however, simply cannot resist the opportunity to point out that the
people "that like doing too much work" are masochists! The sadists are
those of us who sit around [vicariously or otherwise] and watch.

Sincerely, Mrs. Language Person (hey, gimme a little credit, I was right
about "Yahoo" showing up in Gulliver's Travels! Not that anyone here
sked -- I'm just one of those wordy-nerdy types who only lives to Google!)

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC