Extending Water to Pond

Right now, when I want to fill the pond, I drag a hose out from the house.
If I wanted to put a spigot out back by the pond, what would be the best
material to use? Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

I flinch at the thought of water and electric lines in the same
trench. It would be a better idea to use two trenches - less chance
of disturbing one when digging up the other.

As far as the material - Schedule 40 PVC would be adequate, I doubt if
Schedule 80 would be worth the additional expense. I'd drive a 1/2"
rebar (or wooden post) at least three feet into the ground to provide
support for the spigot.

The previous owner of my place did this, but managed to botch the job.
He ran water lines to both ponds (and to various other points around
the yard). The cheap $%@^#$@% used Schedule 20, so I frequently am
pulling out sections to repair a leak. He put spigots positioned to
discharge directly into the pond, as well as automatic fill valves.
The latter was less successful for the koi pond. The koi liked to
play with it until the pond overflowed, so he pulled it out. The
goldfish in the other pond aren't as playful, so it wasn't a problem.

PlainBill

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:05:55 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
wrote:

Right now, when I want to fill the pond, I drag a hose out from the house.
If I wanted to put a spigot out back by the pond, what would be the best
material to use? Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

BV wrote Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

ak! I had an immediate mental picture of somebody digging in the backyard and
hitting both lines at once. Looked like Wiley Coyote on one of his better
days...
You might always know that the lines run together but somebody else might not.
And if you have boys like I have boys... digging illicit holes is right up
there as mischief just waiting to happen.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
BV wrote Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

ak! I had an immediate mental picture of somebody digging in the backyard
and
hitting both lines at once. Looked like Wiley Coyote on one of his better
days...
You might always know that the lines run together but somebody else might
not.
And if you have boys like I have boys... digging illicit holes is right up
there as mischief just waiting to happen.


Really? Running two conduits...one full of water, and one containing two
romex cables sounds bad? I thought that sounded great? I mean really...If
someone pounds a shovel through a piece of PVC, and thru both wires...will a
little water really make a difference? Especially if these circuits have
GFI's?

BV.

There is another no no. I don't believe you are supposed to run
romex through conduit. For safety sake you really should follow
national electrical codes.
As for the water. If you plan to drain or blow it out for the
winter, I would use 3/4" sprinkler tubing. It comes in 50' and 100'
rolls and is very cheap and easy to work with. (barbed fittings)

"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
BV wrote Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

ak! I had an immediate mental picture of somebody digging in the
backyard
and
hitting both lines at once. Looked like Wiley Coyote on one of his
better
days...
You might always know that the lines run together but somebody
else might
not.
And if you have boys like I have boys... digging illicit holes is
right up
there as mischief just waiting to happen.


Really? Running two conduits...one full of water, and one containing
two
romex cables sounds bad? I thought that sounded great? I mean
really...If
someone pounds a shovel through a piece of PVC, and thru both
wires...will a
little water really make a difference? Especially if these circuits
have
GFI's?

BV.

"Hank" wrote in message
...
There is another no no. I don't believe you are supposed to run
romex through conduit. For safety sake you really should follow
national electrical codes.
As for the water. If you plan to drain or blow it out for the
winter, I would use 3/4" sprinkler tubing. It comes in 50' and 100'
rolls and is very cheap and easy to work with. (barbed fittings)
snip

Sorry, my bad...I was using Romex like most of use the word Band Aid. I just
meant wire (pronounced Whar). I'll be sure to talk to my 'lectrician friend
before I do any of this.

BV.

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:05:55 -0500, "BenignVanilla"
wrote:

Right now, when I want to fill the pond, I drag a hose out from the house.
If I wanted to put a spigot out back by the pond, what would be the best
material to use? Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

I buried a 1.5" flexible (theoretically!) pipe from the house to the
pond and ran 1/2" electrical conduit in the same trench under it.

Haven't gotten around to it yet, but I plan to run 1/4" tubing (like
that used for refrigerator icemakers) inside the 1.5" line for water.
Since flow volume isn't a big deal for topping up, I think this will
be OK. Still have lots of space to run other low-current wiring & such
through the 1.5" pipe if I want to.

My thought was that since I went to the trouble to dig a trench, I
might as well set it up so I wouldn't be likely to need to dig it
again.

Just a thought.

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.

"BenignVanilla" wrote in message
...

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
BV wrote Can I bury it in the same trench that I am using for an
electrical conduit?

ak! I had an immediate mental picture of somebody digging in the
backyard
and
hitting both lines at once. Looked like Wiley Coyote on one of his
better
days...
You might always know that the lines run together but somebody else
might
not.
And if you have boys like I have boys... digging illicit holes is right
up
there as mischief just waiting to happen.


Really? Running two conduits...one full of water, and one containing two
romex cables sounds bad? I thought that sounded great? I mean really...If
someone pounds a shovel through a piece of PVC, and thru both wires...will
a
little water really make a difference? Especially if these circuits have
GFI's?



here's a thought. save $ on pvc, run the electrical inside the waterline!
:-)

But honestly, if the trench is deep/wide enough, why not run in same hole?
But as others have said, check with local code/requirements would be a good
idea also.

Bryan

(legal notice for those who spill McDonalds hot coffee on themselves, and
sue M, I'm just kidding!)


BV.

BV ~ Oh, I don't know nothing about those pesky electrons and H20 ;-)
BUT....
someone who was in the insurance
industry, once posted here about this
problem. In that if you have uninspected
work like this on your property, and you have
a fire, that your insurance can opt not to
cover your damage. Even if it had nothing to
do with the fire.

Be that as it may, my DH is an electrical engineer for a nuclear power plant.
When it came time to put in our power to our pond he hired an electrician. His
reasoning was that the fellow knew housing codes inside and out. We also had it
inspected by our city so we were doubly sure we were up to code.
Being in nuclear power he always has to make sure all the bases are firmly
covered so as to not bring down the wrath of the NRC upon his head.
Same applies to our family and household.

I know lots and lots of folks have extension cords all over the place and do
their own electrical work.
The insurance issue and the legality of it all puts me on the side of being
extra careful and I'm glad we did it the way we did.


kathy :-)
A HREF="http://www.onceuponapond.com/"Once upon a pond/A

BV - you shouldn't run romex in conduit, it gets too hot. You need to run
individual wires (black, white and ground)

Joe


On 3/3/04 10:05 AM, "BenignVanilla" wrote:

Really? Running two conduits...one full of water, and one containing two
romex cables sounds bad?



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