Killing fish ... sorry : (

"Offbreed" wrote in message
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Lee B. wrote:

I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
one-way trip isn't appealing.

"Gory" does not equal "cruelty". Being "Icky" does not mean it's
cruel, either.

Tomato, Tomahto. Crystallizing any part of a living creature is cruel.

--
BV.
www.iheartmypond.com

your brain wouldnt register your eye "crystallizing". this crystallizing thing is
out of control.
only nerve cells can transmit "pain" to the brain. all other cells have no pain
receptors. right now huge numbers of your cells are biting the dust without any
conscious awareness on the person's part. in fact, people with Alzheimers are losing
brain cells with no awareness either. Many parts of the body dont have pain
receptors either, or the kind of pain receptors that are affected by ice crystals.
example: I can take blood from the plexus behind a mouses eye by gently punching a
capillary tube into the area. the mouse feels no pain, nor does this blind the
mouse. how do I know? pinch the tail on a mouse and it screams. take blood, no
screaming.
cold temperatures slow down pain transmission and eventually stop it completely.
pain is not some mysterious quantity. it exists within the laws of physics. the
entire metabolism of the fish winds down as temp winds down. and a mere drop in
temperature of a few degrees (hypothermia) renders people insensible.
so cold not only stops transmission along the nerve axon, it also shuts down
reception of the signal. Ingrid

"Lee B." wrote:

I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
one-way trip isn't appealing. And I realize that I'm anthropomorphizing
here. It's a perfectly acceptable method for a lot of people. And it's
preferable to a LOT of other methods of heard of. It's just not one *I'd*
use, but then - I have oil of clove *and* MS-222 in my cabinet.

Lee


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your brain wouldnt register your eye "crystallizing". this crystallizing thing is
out of control.
only nerve cells can transmit "pain" to the brain. all other cells have no pain
receptors. right now huge numbers of your cells are biting the dust without any
conscious awareness on the person's part. in fact, people with Alzheimers are losing
brain cells with no awareness either. Many parts of the body dont have pain
receptors either, or the kind of pain receptors that are affected by ice crystals.
example: I can take blood from the plexus behind a mouses eye by gently punching a
capillary tube into the area. the mouse feels no pain, nor does this blind the
mouse. how do I know? pinch the tail on a mouse and it screams. take blood, no
screaming.
cold temperatures slow down pain transmission and eventually stop it completely.
pain is not some mysterious quantity. it exists within the laws of physics. the
entire metabolism of the fish winds down as temp winds down. and a mere drop in
temperature of a few degrees (hypothermia) renders people insensible.
so cold not only stops transmission along the nerve axon, it also shuts down
reception of the signal. Ingrid

"Lee B." wrote:

I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Perhaps a one-way
trip doesn't have any pain associated with it . . . but the idea of my
eyeballs crystallizing before my body core shuts down on my way to that
one-way trip isn't appealing. And I realize that I'm anthropomorphizing
here. It's a perfectly acceptable method for a lot of people. And it's
preferable to a LOT of other methods of heard of. It's just not one *I'd*
use, but then - I have oil of clove *and* MS-222 in my cabinet.

Lee


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Hi Nancy,

If you'd like to side step the catching and continual problem SuperFluke
(SupaVerm) will kill all the goldfish and leave the koi alone.
http://www.pondrx.com/shop/details.p...tId=21&catId=3
I have no idea if this is humane or not, but it is the only way to rid a
pond of all goldfish short of draining and shop vaccing it clean. ~ jan



On 16 Apr 2004 02:25:59 GMT, (Nanceemo) wrote:

I have a couple of Koi that according to "the pond guy" are expensive Japanese
ones. Then there's the many goldfish, from maybe three inches to maybe six or
eight, tops.

Do you ponders ship fish long distances? If so, I have an offer to take them
and would love to hear how to do that.

Nancy

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)

Hi Nancy,

If you'd like to side step the catching and continual problem SuperFluke
(SupaVerm) will kill all the goldfish and leave the koi alone.
http://www.pondrx.com/shop/details.p...tId=21&catId=3
I have no idea if this is humane or not, but it is the only way to rid a
pond of all goldfish short of draining and shop vaccing it clean. ~ jan



On 16 Apr 2004 02:25:59 GMT, (Nanceemo) wrote:

I have a couple of Koi that according to "the pond guy" are expensive Japanese
ones. Then there's the many goldfish, from maybe three inches to maybe six or
eight, tops.

Do you ponders ship fish long distances? If so, I have an offer to take them
and would love to hear how to do that.

Nancy

~ jan (Do you know where your water quality is?)