PH Level Issue

Hello Jay,
You asked
What is the alkalinity/pH of your fill water?
It is 7.5

I guess it's useless to treat the pond with muriatic acid, hunh? I suppose
if I kept the water level below where my concrete starts that might help?
Then again my two-tiered water fall is made of concrete too.... rats
*%@#$!!!

You've been very helpful and I do thank you!!!



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That said, its the concrete. I really wouldn't fret about it too much.
You will be prone to suspended algae and perhaps... perhaps... less
successful breeding....

Best treatment, a TWO part epoxy pool paint.... very, very costly and
time consuming.

jay
Thu May 20, 2004




I did empty the pond 1/2 way recently and then refilled it. However, I
did
not check the PH level until after doing so and so did not ad the
muriatic
acid until after adding the fresh water.
Cheers!





"T" wrote in message
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"Go Fig" wrote in message
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In article , simplesoul
wrote:

Hello folks!
I just wanted to see if anyone had a situation like mine and
therefore
some
advice to give. I have a 2 year old, 1500 gallon pond with 6
medium
sized
koi. I just began testing the PH level recently and found it very
high
(over
9). I was told to carefully and gradually add Muriatic Acid to
bring
the
PH
level down. I did and for a very short period of time, brought the
PH
level
down to about 7. However, it doesn't stay 7 very long and spikes
right
back
up to nearly 9.

Any guesses on why the PH level doesn't level off?

Is this a concrete pond ?

jay
Thu May 20, 2004



Thanks in advance for anything you can offer.
Steve



Do you just top off the water in the pond? Or do you regularly change
it
by
removing water and replacing it??

Tim

I'm thinking you might be able to drain water down below concrete
level, turn waterfall off, let it dry thoroughly, then coat the
concrete with a sealer of some sort (don't let it drip into the
pond!). Multiple coats. Let dry. Let dry some more.

Refill.

HTH
Mike


On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:59:35 -0700, "simplesoul"
wrote:

Hello Jay,
You asked
What is the alkalinity/pH of your fill water?
It is 7.5

I guess it's useless to treat the pond with muriatic acid, hunh? I suppose
if I kept the water level below where my concrete starts that might help?
Then again my two-tiered water fall is made of concrete too.... rats
*%@#$!!!

You've been very helpful and I do thank you!!!



_________________________________________________ ___________________________
_______
That said, its the concrete. I really wouldn't fret about it too much.
You will be prone to suspended algae and perhaps... perhaps... less
successful breeding....

Best treatment, a TWO part epoxy pool paint.... very, very costly and
time consuming.

jay
Thu May 20, 2004




I did empty the pond 1/2 way recently and then refilled it. However, I
did
not check the PH level until after doing so and so did not ad the
muriatic
acid until after adding the fresh water.
Cheers!





"T" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
In article , simplesoul
wrote:

Hello folks!
I just wanted to see if anyone had a situation like mine and
therefore
some
advice to give. I have a 2 year old, 1500 gallon pond with 6
medium
sized
koi. I just began testing the PH level recently and found it very
high
(over
9). I was told to carefully and gradually add Muriatic Acid to
bring
the
PH
level down. I did and for a very short period of time, brought the
PH
level
down to about 7. However, it doesn't stay 7 very long and spikes
right
back
up to nearly 9.

Any guesses on why the PH level doesn't level off?

Is this a concrete pond ?

jay
Thu May 20, 2004



Thanks in advance for anything you can offer.
Steve



Do you just top off the water in the pond? Or do you regularly change
it
by
removing water and replacing it??

Tim






Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

seal the concrete. that will slow or stop leaching. Ingrid

"simplesoul" wrote:

Hello Jay,
You asked
What is the alkalinity/pH of your fill water?
It is 7.5

I guess it's useless to treat the pond with muriatic acid, hunh? I suppose
if I kept the water level below where my concrete starts that might help?
Then again my two-tiered water fall is made of concrete too.... rats
*%@#$!!!

You've been very helpful and I do thank you!!!


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Or, remove the koi temporary and add 1 gallon acid to each 1,000 gallons
and let it set till the pH stays down, this may or may not take more acid.
Once the pH stays down, rinse, fill and re-start the ponding process.

To do lower pH with acid additions with fish, you first need to bring up
the KH with baking soda so you have buffering after the addition of acid.
Then you need to dilute the acid and add it slowly to the pond. Sudden
changes in pH are not healthy for your fish. ~ jan

On Fri, 21 May 2004 14:31:15 GMT, wrote:

seal the concrete. that will slow or stop leaching. Ingrid

"simplesoul" wrote:

Hello Jay,
You asked
What is the alkalinity/pH of your fill water?
It is 7.5

I guess it's useless to treat the pond with muriatic acid, hunh? I suppose
if I kept the water level below where my concrete starts that might help?
Then again my two-tiered water fall is made of concrete too.... rats
*%@#$!!!

You've been very helpful and I do thank you!!!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

(Do you know where your water quality is?)

I have to say that I've received a lot of outstanding advice here. I want
thank all of you for responding.



For anyone who has just stumbled on to this thread I'd like to summarize
what I've learned as a result of this discussion...



1] Concrete ponds have higher PH levels than "liner ponds".

2] A higher PH level is OK (up to 9) and if your PH level is 9 or lower you
probably shouldn't' worry about it.

3] If your PH level is above 9 and you must treat your pond, it is
absolutely imperative you do it gradually. For example, if you decide to add
muriatic acid to balance the PH level a bit... do it slowly or you will
destroy your eco-system and possibly harm/kill your fish.



BTW, my pond has been holding at PH level of 8 for the past few days. I'm
crossing my fingers that it stays there (or atleast below 9).



Again. I thank all of you kind souls who got involved in this discussion.