Still green...

Something I forgot to mention... While the UV may give beautifully 'non pea
soup' water it does nothing to eliminate the wastes from fish/animals/etc.
That is another reason I am so happy with my veggie filter. So even if you
do go the UV route I still think there is more than one reason for a veggie
filter (removing silt and toxins). By the by, my lone little hyacinth is
already clearing things up (put it in this last Sunday).

It is cold and rainy here but the fish think it is feeding time.....


"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
snip
For years here, some posters here have singled out UVs for this
'natural' argument, I don't get it... what could be more unnatural than
an electric water pump ??? UV is a natural occurring action on all
ponds, natural or ornamental.
snip

I'll bite on this one, but first let me say I am not against UV. I think
UV
clarifiers have a place in ponds, when desired. Hell, I've thought of
putting one in, but I prefer the more natural method of letting the pond
establish balance. Yes, my pond takes longer to clear then my neighbors
with
UV, but mine is clearing because I get a balance of going and the pond
begins "to take care of itself" so to speak. I like the sense of that. I
dug
a hole, I threw some water in, and now the critters are coming to roost.

BV.

"dkat" wrote in message
. net...
Something I forgot to mention... While the UV may give beautifully 'non
pea
soup' water it does nothing to eliminate the wastes from fish/animals/etc.
That is another reason I am so happy with my veggie filter. So even if you
do go the UV route I still think there is more than one reason for a
veggie
filter (removing silt and toxins). By the by, my lone little hyacinth is
already clearing things up (put it in this last Sunday).
snip

YES!!! Very important point. UV clarifiers are NOT filters. If anything they
just contribute to the bioload of the pond.

BV.

In article , Benign Vanilla
wrote:

"dkat" wrote in message
. net...
Something I forgot to mention... While the UV may give beautifully 'non
pea
soup' water it does nothing to eliminate the wastes from fish/animals/etc.
That is another reason I am so happy with my veggie filter. So even if you
do go the UV route I still think there is more than one reason for a
veggie
filter (removing silt and toxins). By the by, my lone little hyacinth is
already clearing things up (put it in this last Sunday).
snip

YES!!! Very important point. UV clarifiers are NOT filters. If anything they
just contribute to the bioload of the pond.

Hows that. I can think of few things that deposit more bio-load than a
pond full of suspended algae. When it is finally staved of a food
source and dies away, it settles to the bottom of your pond... it is
not, for the most part, consumed by your veggie filters. A sand filter,
however can pull it from the pond.

UV light inhibits the algae from reproducing, that is cutting the
bio-load.

jay
Thu May 27, 2004




BV.

"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
In article , Benign Vanilla
wrote:

"dkat" wrote in message
. net...
Something I forgot to mention... While the UV may give beautifully
'non
pea
soup' water it does nothing to eliminate the wastes from
fish/animals/etc.
That is another reason I am so happy with my veggie filter. So even if
you
do go the UV route I still think there is more than one reason for a
veggie
filter (removing silt and toxins). By the by, my lone little hyacinth
is
already clearing things up (put it in this last Sunday).
snip

YES!!! Very important point. UV clarifiers are NOT filters. If anything
they
just contribute to the bioload of the pond.

Hows that. I can think of few things that deposit more bio-load than a
pond full of suspended algae. When it is finally staved of a food
source and dies away, it settles to the bottom of your pond... it is
not, for the most part, consumed by your veggie filters. A sand filter,
however can pull it from the pond.

UV light inhibits the algae from reproducing, that is cutting the
bio-load.

My point is that UV clarifiers kill algae that pass through them. Dead algae
can become food for hungry live algae. I am not saying UV is bad, don't get
me wrong. I am not saying that. I am just saying that UV clarifiers do not
filter the water, they kill things in the water, and then let the things
move right on through. Filtration to me, IMHO, is the removal of a from b.
UV just kills a and leaves it in B. UV is a supplemental tool, not a
replacement for filtration.

BV.

In article , Benign Vanilla
wrote:

"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
In article , Benign Vanilla
wrote:

"dkat" wrote in message
. net...
Something I forgot to mention... While the UV may give beautifully
'non
pea
soup' water it does nothing to eliminate the wastes from
fish/animals/etc.
That is another reason I am so happy with my veggie filter. So even if
you
do go the UV route I still think there is more than one reason for a
veggie
filter (removing silt and toxins). By the by, my lone little hyacinth
is
already clearing things up (put it in this last Sunday).
snip

YES!!! Very important point. UV clarifiers are NOT filters. If anything
they
just contribute to the bioload of the pond.

Hows that. I can think of few things that deposit more bio-load than a
pond full of suspended algae. When it is finally staved of a food
source and dies away, it settles to the bottom of your pond... it is
not, for the most part, consumed by your veggie filters. A sand filter,
however can pull it from the pond.

UV light inhibits the algae from reproducing, that is cutting the
bio-load.

My point is that UV clarifiers kill algae that pass through them. Dead algae
can become food for hungry live algae. I am not saying UV is bad, don't get
me wrong. I am not saying that. I am just saying that UV clarifiers do not
filter the water, they kill things in the water, and then let the things
move right on through. Filtration to me, IMHO, is the removal of a from b.
UV just kills a and leaves it in B. UV is a supplemental tool, not a
replacement for filtration.

Sure, but that is exactly what I have always maintained.

Heck, I start my WH in a hothouse in Feb and they are thriving in ponds
by the 3rd week in Apr.. But I always try to incorporate a sand filter
to my ponds. I've just completed a 5K gal one and I'm using 1k lbs of
#16 silica in two filters. The 120 watts of UV that I will use on this
one... is only to lessen the burden on the sand filters (read: me
opening them and that mess)... cause there isn't a suspended algae out
there that can get past 1K of #16 sand.

jay
Thu May 27, 2004




BV.

Where to you get the water hyacinths to start in your hot house (feeling
envious of someone having WH in April...)?

"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
In article , Benign Vanilla
wrote:

"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
In article , Benign Vanilla
wrote:

"dkat" wrote in message
. net...
Something I forgot to mention... While the UV may give
beautifully
'non
pea
soup' water it does nothing to eliminate the wastes from
fish/animals/etc.
That is another reason I am so happy with my veggie filter. So
even if
you
do go the UV route I still think there is more than one reason for
a
veggie
filter (removing silt and toxins). By the by, my lone little
hyacinth
is
already clearing things up (put it in this last Sunday).
snip

YES!!! Very important point. UV clarifiers are NOT filters. If
anything
they
just contribute to the bioload of the pond.

Hows that. I can think of few things that deposit more bio-load than
a
pond full of suspended algae. When it is finally staved of a food
source and dies away, it settles to the bottom of your pond... it is
not, for the most part, consumed by your veggie filters. A sand
filter,
however can pull it from the pond.

UV light inhibits the algae from reproducing, that is cutting the
bio-load.

My point is that UV clarifiers kill algae that pass through them. Dead
algae
can become food for hungry live algae. I am not saying UV is bad, don't
get
me wrong. I am not saying that. I am just saying that UV clarifiers do
not
filter the water, they kill things in the water, and then let the things
move right on through. Filtration to me, IMHO, is the removal of a from
b.
UV just kills a and leaves it in B. UV is a supplemental tool, not a
replacement for filtration.

Sure, but that is exactly what I have always maintained.

Heck, I start my WH in a hothouse in Feb and they are thriving in ponds
by the 3rd week in Apr.. But I always try to incorporate a sand filter
to my ponds. I've just completed a 5K gal one and I'm using 1k lbs of
#16 silica in two filters. The 120 watts of UV that I will use on this
one... is only to lessen the burden on the sand filters (read: me
opening them and that mess)... cause there isn't a suspended algae out
there that can get past 1K of #16 sand.

jay
Thu May 27, 2004




BV.

In article , dkat
wrote:

Where to you get the water hyacinths to start in your hot house (feeling
envious of someone having WH in April...)?


They never really die off where I am, but I collecting them, trim them
way down and then under glass in Feb.. they are ready to go out as soon
as the water stays above 60. This year I saw my first flowers 2 weeks
ago... but they don't really look great until June.

jay
Thu May 27, 2004

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in
:


"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
In article , Benign Vanilla
wrote:

"dkat" wrote in message
. net...
Something I forgot to mention... While the UV may give
beautifully 'non pea soup' water it does nothing to eliminate the
wastes from fish/animals/etc. That is another reason I am so happy
with my veggie filter. So even if you do go the UV route I still
think there is more than one reason for a veggie filter (removing
silt and toxins). By the by, my lone little hyacinth is already
clearing things up (put it in this last Sunday).
snip

YES!!! Very important point. UV clarifiers are NOT filters. If
anything they just contribute to the bioload of the pond.

Hows that. I can think of few things that deposit more bio-load than
a pond full of suspended algae. When it is finally staved of a food
source and dies away, it settles to the bottom of your pond... it is
not, for the most part, consumed by your veggie filters. A sand
filter, however can pull it from the pond.

UV light inhibits the algae from reproducing, that is cutting the
bio-load.

My point is that UV clarifiers kill algae that pass through them. Dead
algae can become food for hungry live algae. I am not saying UV is bad,
don't get me wrong. I am not saying that. I am just saying that UV
clarifiers do not filter the water, they kill things in the water, and
then let the things move right on through. Filtration to me, IMHO, is
the removal of a from b. UV just kills a and leaves it in B. UV is a
supplemental tool, not a replacement for filtration.

BV.



I have to agree w/ Jay on this one...

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"Jeff Spicoli" wrote in message
snip
I have to agree w/ Jay on this one...
snip

I am not sure he and I are disagreeing.

BV.

YES!!! Very important point. UV clarifiers are NOT filters. If anything they
just contribute to the bioload of the pond.

Hows that. I can think of few things that deposit more bio-load than a
pond full of suspended algae. When it is finally starved of a food
source and dies away, it settles to the bottom of your pond

Why do you think that? I think it just rots away. What do you have, redwood
or cedar decay-resistant algae? :-)