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July 22nd 04, 03:26 AM
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This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around
my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak. 1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'. 2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the liner. 3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking about? Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b) 
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July 22nd 04, 04:13 AM
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Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!
I just wouldn't take a chance on tree roots Not puncturing the liner. I have a small spirea that punctured my liner several years ago. The pond had to be emptied (all the fish transferred to holding quarters, etc.) and patched. A big headache all 'round. Moreover, the leaves are a big minus in putting the pond around trees. All of the minuses you can think of and then some. I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun. You can always buy a sun shelter and they do look very nice... or build a sun shade in the Japanese manner. Don't skimp on depth. I would go 5 feet deep at least. ... that way any koi will be protected from the blistering summer heat - along with the sun shade you've already installed ;-) Also the water lilies will thank you for installing your pond in full sun .... what else, there must be more pluses! Good Luck! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Newbie Bill" wrote in message om... This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak. 1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'. 2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the liner. 3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking about? Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)
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July 22nd 04, 04:13 AM
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Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!
I just wouldn't take a chance on tree roots Not puncturing the liner. I have a small spirea that punctured my liner several years ago. The pond had to be emptied (all the fish transferred to holding quarters, etc.) and patched. A big headache all 'round. Moreover, the leaves are a big minus in putting the pond around trees. All of the minuses you can think of and then some. I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun. You can always buy a sun shelter and they do look very nice... or build a sun shade in the Japanese manner. Don't skimp on depth. I would go 5 feet deep at least. ... that way any koi will be protected from the blistering summer heat - along with the sun shade you've already installed ;-) Also the water lilies will thank you for installing your pond in full sun .... what else, there must be more pluses! Good Luck! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Newbie Bill" wrote in message om... This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak. 1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'. 2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the liner. 3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking about? Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)
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July 22nd 04, 04:52 AM
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Thanks for the thoughts Nedra - I probably am leaning that way. The leaves
are going to be a problem in any case. My little pond is already in the fartherst location so a new pond would still get plenty of leaves blowing in. Depth I'm not sure of depth. I know everyone sez bigger is better but I do like the economies of smaller pumps, filters, water changes, meds etc. Probably will just have to investigate. May be like that around the country but around here you pretty much expect to run into rock below about 2 feet - 5 would probably be quite an accomplishment unless a couple of them were above ground. In fact we just had our pond tour this week end and I dont think I saw a pond over about 3 1/2-4 ft. Well the creative process has started anyway. Thanxx Bill "Nedra" wrote in message link.net... Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!! I just wouldn't take a chance on tree roots Not puncturing the liner. I have a small spirea that punctured my liner several years ago. The pond had to be emptied (all the fish transferred to holding quarters, etc.) and patched. A big headache all 'round. Moreover, the leaves are a big minus in putting the pond around trees. All of the minuses you can think of and then some. I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun. You can always buy a sun shelter and they do look very nice... or build a sun shade in the Japanese manner. Don't skimp on depth. I would go 5 feet deep at least. ... that way any koi will be protected from the blistering summer heat - along with the sun shade you've already installed ;-) Also the water lilies will thank you for installing your pond in full sun ... what else, there must be more pluses! Good Luck! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Newbie Bill" wrote in message om... This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak. 1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'. 2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the liner. 3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking about? Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)
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July 22nd 04, 04:52 AM
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Thanks for the thoughts Nedra - I probably am leaning that way. The leaves
are going to be a problem in any case. My little pond is already in the fartherst location so a new pond would still get plenty of leaves blowing in. Depth I'm not sure of depth. I know everyone sez bigger is better but I do like the economies of smaller pumps, filters, water changes, meds etc. Probably will just have to investigate. May be like that around the country but around here you pretty much expect to run into rock below about 2 feet - 5 would probably be quite an accomplishment unless a couple of them were above ground. In fact we just had our pond tour this week end and I dont think I saw a pond over about 3 1/2-4 ft. Well the creative process has started anyway. Thanxx Bill "Nedra" wrote in message link.net... Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!! I just wouldn't take a chance on tree roots Not puncturing the liner. I have a small spirea that punctured my liner several years ago. The pond had to be emptied (all the fish transferred to holding quarters, etc.) and patched. A big headache all 'round. Moreover, the leaves are a big minus in putting the pond around trees. All of the minuses you can think of and then some. I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun. You can always buy a sun shelter and they do look very nice... or build a sun shade in the Japanese manner. Don't skimp on depth. I would go 5 feet deep at least. ... that way any koi will be protected from the blistering summer heat - along with the sun shade you've already installed ;-) Also the water lilies will thank you for installing your pond in full sun ... what else, there must be more pluses! Good Luck! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Newbie Bill" wrote in message om... This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak. 1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'. 2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the liner. 3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking about? Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)
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July 22nd 04, 07:19 AM
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"Newbie Bill" wrote in message om... This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak. 1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'. 2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the liner. 3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking about? Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b) The leading edge of my pond is located at the edge of the canopy of a large pin oak. I made sure to clip any roots along the excavation wall, and used a thick tarp to line the wall before installing the pond liner, to make sure that it didn't get punchered by any roots I missed. The pond has been inground for two years now with no problems, and the pin oak provides plenty of shade for at more than half of the day. The only problem is with leaves in the fall. But at that time, I use a net over the pond to keep the leaves out.
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July 22nd 04, 07:19 AM
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"Newbie Bill" wrote in message om... This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak. 1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'. 2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the liner. 3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking about? Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b) The leading edge of my pond is located at the edge of the canopy of a large pin oak. I made sure to clip any roots along the excavation wall, and used a thick tarp to line the wall before installing the pond liner, to make sure that it didn't get punchered by any roots I missed. The pond has been inground for two years now with no problems, and the pin oak provides plenty of shade for at more than half of the day. The only problem is with leaves in the fall. But at that time, I use a net over the pond to keep the leaves out.
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July 22nd 04, 07:27 AM
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"Newbie Bill" wrote in message . com... Thanks for the thoughts Nedra - I probably am leaning that way. The leaves are going to be a problem in any case. My little pond is already in the fartherst location so a new pond would still get plenty of leaves blowing in. Depth I'm not sure of depth. I know everyone sez bigger is better but I do like the economies of smaller pumps, filters, water changes, meds etc. Probably will just have to investigate. May be like that around the country but around here you pretty much expect to run into rock below about 2 feet - 5 would probably be quite an accomplishment unless a couple of them were above ground. In fact we just had our pond tour this week end and I dont think I saw a pond over about 3 1/2-4 ft. Well the creative process has started anyway. Thanxx Bill If you are unsure of the depth to bedrock at your location, but have reason to believe that it is shallow, you can do one of two things cheaply. First, you can pick up a piece of scrap metal re-bar somewhere and drive it into the ground with a 3 lbs mallet or a sledge hammer until it will go no farther, and measure the depth. Alternatively, you can rent a hand auger at a tool rental shop and auger down as far as you can go, then measure the depth. I prefer the second method, as you can see the soil and weathered rock as you auger down and make a better estimation of when you've reached bedrock. In most cases you will likely encounter weathered rock before you actually encounter bedrock, but you should be able to reach within a foot or less, so these are good, cheap ways to make an estimation before you decide to build. Good luck.
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July 22nd 04, 07:27 AM
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"Newbie Bill" wrote in message . com... Thanks for the thoughts Nedra - I probably am leaning that way. The leaves are going to be a problem in any case. My little pond is already in the fartherst location so a new pond would still get plenty of leaves blowing in. Depth I'm not sure of depth. I know everyone sez bigger is better but I do like the economies of smaller pumps, filters, water changes, meds etc. Probably will just have to investigate. May be like that around the country but around here you pretty much expect to run into rock below about 2 feet - 5 would probably be quite an accomplishment unless a couple of them were above ground. In fact we just had our pond tour this week end and I dont think I saw a pond over about 3 1/2-4 ft. Well the creative process has started anyway. Thanxx Bill If you are unsure of the depth to bedrock at your location, but have reason to believe that it is shallow, you can do one of two things cheaply. First, you can pick up a piece of scrap metal re-bar somewhere and drive it into the ground with a 3 lbs mallet or a sledge hammer until it will go no farther, and measure the depth. Alternatively, you can rent a hand auger at a tool rental shop and auger down as far as you can go, then measure the depth. I prefer the second method, as you can see the soil and weathered rock as you auger down and make a better estimation of when you've reached bedrock. In most cases you will likely encounter weathered rock before you actually encounter bedrock, but you should be able to reach within a foot or less, so these are good, cheap ways to make an estimation before you decide to build. Good luck.
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July 22nd 04, 01:30 PM
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The deepest section of my pond it 54". If the clay had not been so
hard, my arms killing me, and my neighbors looking at me down in that hole and just shaking their heads with pity in their eyes, I would have probably gone to 5 feet. It sometimes get really cold here in Colorado and the pond is in full sun. However the nice greenish water adds some protection for the residents. :-) W. Dale Newbie Bill wrote: Thanks for the thoughts Nedra - I probably am leaning that way. The leaves are going to be a problem in any case. My little pond is already in the fartherst location so a new pond would still get plenty of leaves blowing in. Depth I'm not sure of depth. I know everyone sez bigger is better but I do like the economies of smaller pumps, filters, water changes, meds etc. Probably will just have to investigate. May be like that around the country but around here you pretty much expect to run into rock below about 2 feet - 5 would probably be quite an accomplishment unless a couple of them were above ground. In fact we just had our pond tour this week end and I dont think I saw a pond over about 3 1/2-4 ft. Well the creative process has started anyway. Thanxx Bill "Nedra" wrote in message link.net... Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!! I just wouldn't take a chance on tree roots Not puncturing the liner. I have a small spirea that punctured my liner several years ago. The pond had to be emptied (all the fish transferred to holding quarters, etc.) and patched. A big headache all 'round. Moreover, the leaves are a big minus in putting the pond around trees. All of the minuses you can think of and then some. I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun. You can always buy a sun shelter and they do look very nice... or build a sun shade in the Japanese manner. Don't skimp on depth. I would go 5 feet deep at least. ... that way any koi will be protected from the blistering summer heat - along with the sun shade you've already installed ;-) Also the water lilies will thank you for installing your pond in full sun ... what else, there must be more pluses! Good Luck! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Newbie Bill" wrote in message .com... This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak. 1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'. 2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the liner. 3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking about? Thanxx Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)
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