Vader's dead -maybe pond is sick!

Hi Ingrid,

I have 6 fish left (they are only babies), on the bottom (its a preformed
pond) is the pump and the large clump of Oxygenators and also 4 small clumps
of oxygenators, one in each corner. The rest of the plants are on ledges.

The temperature of the water on Saturday was about 70 degrees. the sun only
shines on the pond from about 14:00-19:00 approximately.

I was under the illusion that Oxygenators only made Oxygen and didn't
consume it and in the posts where people talk about gasping fish that was
because they didn't have Oxygenators in their ponds.

Even if the plants are using the oxygen at night I still have my waterfall
which runs 24hrs a day.

Sorry Kathy and Jan -I did read your posts but your questions were a bit too
technical for me to answer -I did find your tips very useful though and did
not feed the fish at all today.

Jay


wrote in message
...
breeders of fish make green water for their fry. green water is actually
healthier
than gin clear water when a pond is first filled. fish can go for a month
without
food, but in green water they got a lot to eat.
you have a 250 gallon pond with how many fish?
what is on the bottom of this pond? it sounds like there might have been
some
anaerobic fermentation going on and a release of hydrogen sulfide.
what is the temperature of your water? all those plants and algae are
making oxygen
during the day, but using it up at night. it doesnt sound like you have
supplemental
oxygenation in the pond. this could result in the death of the largest
fish from
lack of oxygen. no, not possible to have too much oxygen
INgrid



"Jason Garner" wrote:
Do you think that because the water is Green they can't see the food and
are
starving to death?
The other day I noticed a huge underwater disturbance and stared at it
for
ages trying to work out what was causing it -its hundreds of air bubbles
they seem to be causing a swell of some kind under the surface.When I
first
put my fish in, everytime I went near them they hid under the pump and
they
looked all squashed and uncomfortable so after speaking to the guy at the
pond shop he got about 20 oxygenators tied then together and when I got
home
I weighted them with a rock and put them in the centre of the pond for
them
to hid in -they loved it as soon it as soon as they saw it.
Now of course it has grown and seems to be creating lots of oxygen -is it
possible to have too much O2 in a pond?

My pond is 1000 litres and has a waterfall at one end, 6 small clumps of
oxygenators scattered around the sides and on shelves, the huge clump in
the
middle, a large waterlilly with about 12 pads at the opposite end from
the
waterfall, 7 marginals on the shelves and 6 floating plants which are
multiplying faster than rabbits.

The dead fish looked in perfect condition by the way -no signs of
sickness
maybe the Green water has worried it to death because it could not see
the
sun anymore?


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Sorry Kathy and Jan -I did read your posts but your questions were a bit too
technical for me to answer -I did find your tips very useful though and did
not feed the fish at all today.
Jay

Too technical? You could skip over those and just answer what you can. You
said your water quality levels were all fine, how do you know this if you
can't give us answers to what the readings are for: Ammonia, Nitrite, pH, &
KH? ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Hold the phone.
Too technical?

We need the exact water test readings because people will see just a bit of
ammonia showing and think, well, just a bit that's okay and any ammonia isn't
good.

Do you know if you have goldfish or koi? It makes a huge difference in the long
run.

How long has the fish pond been in the pond is important because if this is a
new fish he could have been sick when you put him in and the rest of your fish
are at risk. If he is a long time resident then there are other things to look
at. We need information because we can't just tell you anything from the fact
the fish is dead.

How old is the pond? If this is a brand new pond and you just put the fish in
they may have died from chlorine or chloramine poisoning. Also helps us know
how long you've been at this and where you are in the learning curve.

How many gallons. You could have overstocked this pond and your fish will
continue to die.

What did the dead fish look like. Well, what did he look like?
Scales sticking out, covered with white goop, hole in his side?
Anything?



kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

oxygenators make oxygen during the day, use the oxygen at night.. when pond water is
really warm it holds less oxygen and if there is an algae bloom it can use all the
oxygen up by morning the largest fish die first.
waterfalls rarely oxygenate well. it is falling and tumbling over rocks it might.
supplemental aeration is the best way to make sure there is enough oxygen.
Ingrid

"Jason Garner" wrote:
I was under the illusion that Oxygenators only made Oxygen and didn't
consume it and in the posts where people talk about gasping fish that was
because they didn't have Oxygenators in their ponds.

Even if the plants are using the oxygen at night I still have my waterfall
which runs 24hrs a day.


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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.