Getting ready for my fisrt winter with a pond

"Jim Humphries" wrote in message
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What is this talk about Winter!

Never too soon to prepare.

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"Jim Humphries" wrote in message
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What is this talk about Winter!
--
Jim and Sara Humphries, Victoria, BC

We know you guys don't get winter in Victoria.

Here in frigid Ontario, some trees have changed colour and others have
started dropping their leaves. It won't belong before there is frost on the
pumpkin.

Ugh! I live in Kentucky, and we've had an abnormally cool summer. So when you
tell me that you have leaves dropping already, I just have to groan! We had an
early spring, and a mild summer so I expect an early fall, and a cold winter.
Gee. I can't wait. NOT!

correct, no thermocline but the warmer ground gives up heat thru the liner to the
water. Ingrid

(Roy) wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but are these layers not referred to as
thermo clines? I can see a thermocline happening if there is
sufficient depth, but have a hard time thinking you would have a
thermocline in a pond of only 2 feet or 3 feet of depth,


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right. they wont eat when temps drop below 48 or so, GF will but dont feed them
below 50oF. and feed LIGHTLY. not very much. Ingrid

My albino channel catfish is a good thermometer where feeding is concerned. He
simply will not eat if the water temperature drops below 52 degrees F, although
the gold fish and Koi will nibble if given a little food. So when my catfish
stops eating, I stop feeding them all, or at least only feed them when the
temperature gets above 52 degrees F. And even then, I only give them a small
amount that they can eat in a couple of minutes, and only a couple of times per
week, if the temperature allows, and only if they are interested.




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George wrote Well, there you go. You've done and challanged me.

chortle!

We had an
early spring, and a mild summer so I expect an early fall, and a cold winter.

I'm wondering about our winter. We usually have mild winters, SE WA, zone 7a,
arid and dry. Last year we got tons of snow. And this morning I hear the
kingfisher outside my window and he never shows up until December. I wonder if
he knows something I don't...


kathy :-)
algae primer
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damn leaves are turning in Milwaukee WI zone 5 already.. and N. WI had frost already.
it is the pits. Ingrid

"Bill Stock" wrote:
Here in frigid Ontario, some trees have changed colour and others have
started dropping their leaves. It won't belong before there is frost on the
pumpkin.


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1. stop running the waterfall drop the pump into a bucket filter and have the water
burble at the surface rather than blowing water into the air. keep the aeration
going all winter. drop in a tank heater over the aerator to keep a great hole open.

if you cover the pond with plastic over some kind of frame the pond will not freeze
over. if you up the heater to a 500 watt the pond will stay warm enough to feed for
many more months than without the plastic and heater. I do cut back on amount of
food and dont feed every day, I keep an eye on ammonia since the bucket filter is not
as efficient as the veggie filter.
running waterfall drops temp if air temp is lower than water temp.
slow feeding below 55oF, stop lower than 50.. actually koi will stop wanting food and
will go to bottom. Ingrid

"Nathan A. Smith" wrote:
1. To run the waterfall or to not run the waterfall...
2. When to stop feeding...


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damn leaves are turning in Milwaukee WI zone 5 already.. and N. WI had frost
already.
it is the pits. Ingrid

I could have gone all day without hearing that depressing news. I guess it's
never too early to sharpen the snow shovel, eh?

"Bill Stock" wrote:
Here in frigid Ontario, some trees have changed colour and others have
started dropping their leaves. It won't belong before there is frost on the
pumpkin.


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My 2 cents, since the questions have already been answered.

Zone 7a, K30's area. I stop my water fall, and put a smaller pump on the
filter system and have tubing just above surface fanning over it to the
skimmer, bottom drained plugged. Really helped start up this spring keeping
half the bio-filter active.

As far as feeding. When you feed your fish, you must remember you are
feeding your filter and filters fall in efficiency as the temps get below
55 and go dormant at 40F. (Some say die, some say the dormant regarding the
bio-bugs, regardless not processing waste either way.) ~ jan ;o)


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:41:14 +0000, dr-solo wrote:


running waterfall drops temp if air temp is lower than water temp.

Ok,

I talked to my 60+ year old physcist (spelling?) and learned a lot about
water flow. It's very complicated, but I will try to condense down what I
learned. From our conversation, I believe the above statement is false.
Here's why:

when water flows down a waterfall it has some amount of kentic energy
(provided realistically by the pump) this kentic energy in one way or
another is turned into heat. Let's assume for a moment 100% humidity,
then there would be no lose of water or energy due to evaporation. This
means all that KE is passed to the water, warming it up. On the flip side
of this is 0% humidity where almost all the energy will be used in
evaporation. Now the amount of KE is dependant upon the height of the
waterfall or the energy provided by the pump (minus friction and other
fluid loses). Thus it could be assumed that the larger the pump, the more
energy the waterfall *could* pass to the pond, given a high humidity. Now
what does this have to do with the outside tempature... Well if the
amount of energy necessary to drop the water temp is less than the
amount of energy being imparted to the water than there would be a
net gain of heat in the pond.

What does this all mean? From our conversation -- it is possible that
given the right circumstances that a pump ***COULD** (not saying WILL)
increase the temp in a pond.

Again this would mean a pump that in imparting greater energy to water
flow (minus friction and the such) than is being removed by evaporation
and tempature cooling could increase a ponds tempature.


"Nathan A. Smith" wrote:
1. To run the waterfall or to not run the waterfall...
2. When to stop feeding...


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