Clown Loaches with Ich Mystery

Ok, I've managed to get together a web page with some photos. My video
camera has managed to take some good photos and the lighting was very good.

Here's adhoc the page:
http://www.ncasali.demon.co.uk/

The first image is good. Is it ich? I've only ever seen them much larger.

Nikki

Anandan Tanabalan wrote:

Can you post a pic?

Maybe host it somewhere like a yahoo group?

Have you considered that you may have a parasite?

Not heard of anything quite that small though.

Can you pick-off the spots with tweezers or similar?

Do you have a magnifying glass/ microscope?

I have picked-off larger 'flukes' from stickles and goldies.

Tana.

I'd say it's definitely ich.

Nikki Casali wrote:
The first image is good. Is it ich? I've only ever seen them much larger.

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Those clowns have velvet - Oödinium, not ich.

Some treatments will work on both but you need to be looking for a med that
lists Oodinium.

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I'd say it's definitely ich.

Nikki Casali wrote:
The first image is good. Is it ich? I've only ever seen them much
larger.

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|| I'd say it's definitely ich.

Really Victor?? IMO, it doesn't look like ich that I've ever had... my
opinion is that ich is more of a salt grain versus a powdery substance
appearance....

What about velvet???

Here's a couple things that might help...
http://www.thepetprofessor.com/secPe...314&breed=Fish

Taken from http://www.loaches.com/cloachfaq.html
What to watch out for:

- ick, at the first sign of ick, medicate the tank with any product at half
dose. Keep the medicine concentration at a steady level until the Ick are
all gone. Almost any medicine that treats Ick will work. Personally I have
always been successful with coppersafe.

- velvet, this is a white film that develops on the skin. Treat as above for
ick. Velvet is a disease.


My guess would be to check more into velvet just in case

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Ok, I'm beginning to think this is actually Velvet or Oodinium which I
have never seen before.

The description is "Symptoms: Very small white speckles on fish.
Resembles a fine powder."
http://www.aquaria.info/modules.php?...rder=0&thold=0

My tank is now full of the Protozin medication. It is too late in the
day for me to purchase anti-Velvet medication. Can anyone suggest a
natural remedy for the next 16 hours which will alleviate the symptoms?

Will Protozin help with the Velvet?

I have my tank set to 30.5 (86.9) degrees Celsius. Salt is 1 ppt (1g per
litre). Lots of aeration. I'm pushing the temperature just a bit too far.

I have a 24 UK gallon hosptial tank set up. Can I use it? What about a
salt bath for the loaches? Would they tolerate a very high concentration
for a few seconds?

Thanks for all the help so far.

Nikki

RedForeman ©® wrote:

|| I'd say it's definitely ich.

Really Victor?? IMO, it doesn't look like ich that I've ever had... my
opinion is that ich is more of a salt grain versus a powdery substance
appearance....

What about velvet???

Here's a couple things that might help...
http://www.thepetprofessor.com/secPe...314&breed=Fish

Taken from http://www.loaches.com/cloachfaq.html
What to watch out for:

- ick, at the first sign of ick, medicate the tank with any product at half
dose. Keep the medicine concentration at a steady level until the Ick are
all gone. Almost any medicine that treats Ick will work. Personally I have
always been successful with coppersafe.

- velvet, this is a white film that develops on the skin. Treat as above for
ick. Velvet is a disease.


My guess would be to check more into velvet just in case

RedForeman ©® wrote:
What about velvet???

Velvet is supposed to look like a film, not particles. That's why I say
that's ich.

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I'm trying to track down some photos of Oodinium. I found this one which
appears to be identical to the symptoms of my clown loaches:

http://www.kattsundco.com/index2.php...ocellatum.html

Nikki

Victor Martinez wrote:

RedForeman ©® wrote:

What about velvet???


Velvet is supposed to look like a film, not particles. That's why I say
that's ich.

|| RedForeman ©® wrote:
||| What about velvet???
||
|| Velvet is supposed to look like a film, not particles. That's why I
|| say that's ich.

Understood... and I've, (knocking on wood), never had a velvet problem, but
ich I have had and the difference in pictures that I see, do point toward
velvet more than the ich I've seen in person... my clowns, when in *ich*
mood, lost their colors a bit, and the salt like dots, were just that,
raised dots... Whereas, velvet, from the pictures I have seen, 1, show a
'film' with miniscule dots in the film and her pics actually show the dots
NOT being raised from the surface of the skin, and 2, her clowns didn't lose
any color, they actually look healthy and colorful....

Again, I'm not saying your wrong by any means...

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When the sun went down, I got a torch out and shone it down the side of
one of the clown loaches and took a few photos. He was breathing
extremely rapidly.

The powdery grains are all raised from the body. They look like minute
salt granules just stuck on:
http://www.ncasali.demon.co.uk/

Nikki

Nikki Casali wrote:

Ok, I've managed to get together a web page with some photos. My video
camera has managed to take some good photos and the lighting was very good.

Here's adhoc the page:
http://www.ncasali.demon.co.uk/

The first image is good. Is it ich? I've only ever seen them much larger.

Nikki

Anandan Tanabalan wrote:

Can you post a pic?

Maybe host it somewhere like a yahoo group?

Have you considered that you may have a parasite?

Not heard of anything quite that small though.

Can you pick-off the spots with tweezers or similar?

Do you have a magnifying glass/ microscope?

I have picked-off larger 'flukes' from stickles and goldies.

Tana.

Looking at that shot your loach appears to have BOTH ich & oodinium ;o(
Ich being the ones that look like salt whereas velvet appears like a
sprinkling of finely ground pepper!

"Nikki Casali" wrote in message
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When the sun went down, I got a torch out and shone it down the side of
one of the clown loaches and took a few photos. He was breathing
extremely rapidly.

The powdery grains are all raised from the body. They look like minute
salt granules just stuck on:
http://www.ncasali.demon.co.uk/