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October 22nd 04, 01:41 AM
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Pimafix
OK, I wimped out, didn't go with the Potassium Permanganate. I did not want
to wipe out the Biofilter, as some had suggested. So I picked up some Pimafix and Melafix for the boys. Only the one large fish has a noticeable fungal infection (fuzzy white spot on his snout, but the others are showing signs of a secondary bacterial infection. I applied 7 tsps of the Pimafix yesterday and a good deal of the fuzz was gone this morning. I thought I saw a brown spot of the center of the fungus this morning. I applied a second dose of Pimafix this afternoon and the brown spot is gone. Now there is just a hole where the white fuzz had been, like a bad zit. The Pimafix says to apply for seven days, but I've noticed that this stuff really freaks the fish out when you add it. Does this stuff sting or is it just the smell that bothers them? Secondly, the blurb says I can use the Melafix and Pimafix together. What's the Melafix going to do for me (the fishies) that Pimafix does not. Comments from Pimafix/Melafix users appreciated. 
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#2
October 22nd 04, 04:27 AM
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http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/...L,%20Melaleuca
TEA TREE OIL, Melaleuca controversy Use of this oil in various formulations should proceed with caution for several reasons. There are numerous adverse reactions in other animal species. There are some adverse reactions in fish. It is related to the turpentine family. It is a lipophilic oil that is absorbed across the skin, both dry and mucosal. It is an oil related to those with hepatoxicity and neurotoxicity. It is not all that effective compared to other medications. Use in land animals is on a limited area of the skin. Fish are immersed in this for periods of time. Ingestion appears to cause more toxicity than contact. Material Safety Data Sheet. http://www.coldstream-plantation.com.au/material.html I really like Aquarium Pharmaceutical test kits... but at least the melaleuca stuff is a recycled old time remedy. I dont have any idea what this pimafix is, but it is another oil of some kind. GF can smell really well. I just wouldnt be using this stuff just cause it is new. there are normal remedies, malachite, methlene blue and PP that work GREAT. MB for example is used to treat GF eggs against fungus. Ingrid "Bill Stock" wrote: OK, I wimped out, didn't go with the Potassium Permanganate. I did not want to wipe out the Biofilter, as some had suggested. So I picked up some Pimafix and Melafix for the boys. Only the one large fish has a noticeable fungal infection (fuzzy white spot on his snout, but the others are showing signs of a secondary bacterial infection. I applied 7 tsps of the Pimafix yesterday and a good deal of the fuzz was gone this morning. I thought I saw a brown spot of the center of the fungus this morning. I applied a second dose of Pimafix this afternoon and the brown spot is gone. Now there is just a hole where the white fuzz had been, like a bad zit. The Pimafix says to apply for seven days, but I've noticed that this stuff really freaks the fish out when you add it. Does this stuff sting or is it just the smell that bothers them? Secondly, the blurb says I can use the Melafix and Pimafix together. What's the Melafix going to do for me (the fishies) that Pimafix does not. Comments from Pimafix/Melafix users appreciated. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make.
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October 22nd 04, 01:58 PM
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"Kay" wrote in message m... wrote: http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/...L,%20Melaleuca TEA TREE OIL, Melaleuca controversy Use of this oil in various formulations should proceed with caution for several reasons. There are numerous adverse reactions in other animal species. There are some adverse reactions in fish. It is related to the turpentine family. It is a lipophilic oil that is absorbed across the skin, both dry and mucosal. It is an oil related to those with hepatoxicity and neurotoxicity. It is not all that effective compared to other medications. Use in land animals is on a limited area of the skin. Fish are immersed in this for periods of time. Ingestion appears to cause more toxicity than contact. Material Safety Data Sheet. http://www.coldstream-plantation.com.au/material.html I really like Aquarium Pharmaceutical test kits... but at least the melaleuca stuff is a recycled old time remedy. I dont have any idea what this pimafix is, but it is another oil of some kind. GF can smell really well. I just wouldnt be using this stuff just cause it is new. there are normal remedies, malachite, methlene blue and PP that work GREAT. MB for example is used to treat GF eggs against fungus. Ingrid "Bill Stock" wrote: OK, I wimped out, didn't go with the Potassium Permanganate. I did not want to wipe out the Biofilter, as some had suggested. So I picked up some Pimafix and Melafix for the boys. Only the one large fish has a noticeable fungal infection (fuzzy white spot on his snout, but the others are showing signs of a secondary bacterial infection. I applied 7 tsps of the Pimafix yesterday and a good deal of the fuzz was gone this morning. I thought I saw a brown spot of the center of the fungus this morning. I applied a second dose of Pimafix this afternoon and the brown spot is gone. Now there is just a hole where the white fuzz had been, like a bad zit. The Pimafix says to apply for seven days, but I've noticed that this stuff really freaks the fish out when you add it. Does this stuff sting or is it just the smell that bothers them? Secondly, the blurb says I can use the Melafix and Pimafix together. What's the Melafix going to do for me (the fishies) that Pimafix does not. Comments from Pimafix/Melafix users appreciated. My fish has no ill effects from melafix at all. I have not used pima fix as of yet. Thanks Kay, Did it cure the affliction(s)?
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#5
October 22nd 04, 02:37 PM
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Get the pond melafix in the pond section of stores as it is much more
powerfull and priceing the same. I kinda like the smell of it but with to much aeration then you get tons of bubbles Marc __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______ Want to win a FREE new co2 system or a lighting system check out our forum for our newest contest coming up http://www.fish-forums.com Http://www.aquatic-store.com On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:41:54 -0400, "Bill Stock" wrote: OK, I wimped out, didn't go with the Potassium Permanganate. I did not want to wipe out the Biofilter, as some had suggested. So I picked up some Pimafix and Melafix for the boys. Only the one large fish has a noticeable fungal infection (fuzzy white spot on his snout, but the others are showing signs of a secondary bacterial infection. I applied 7 tsps of the Pimafix yesterday and a good deal of the fuzz was gone this morning. I thought I saw a brown spot of the center of the fungus this morning. I applied a second dose of Pimafix this afternoon and the brown spot is gone. Now there is just a hole where the white fuzz had been, like a bad zit. The Pimafix says to apply for seven days, but I've noticed that this stuff really freaks the fish out when you add it. Does this stuff sting or is it just the smell that bothers them? Secondly, the blurb says I can use the Melafix and Pimafix together. What's the Melafix going to do for me (the fishies) that Pimafix does not. Comments from Pimafix/Melafix users appreciated.
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#6
October 22nd 04, 10:25 PM
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Bill Stock wrote:
"Kay" wrote in message m... wrote: http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/...L,%20Melaleuca TEA TREE OIL, Melaleuca controversy Use of this oil in various formulations should proceed with caution for several reasons. There are numerous adverse reactions in other animal species. There are some adverse reactions in fish. It is related to the turpentine family. It is a lipophilic oil that is absorbed across the skin, both dry and mucosal. It is an oil related to those with hepatoxicity and neurotoxicity. It is not all that effective compared to other medications. Use in land animals is on a limited area of the skin. Fish are immersed in this for periods of time. Ingestion appears to cause more toxicity than contact. Material Safety Data Sheet. http://www.coldstream-plantation.com.au/material.html I really like Aquarium Pharmaceutical test kits... but at least the melaleuca stuff is a recycled old time remedy. I dont have any idea what this pimafix is, but it is another oil of some kind. GF can smell really well. I just wouldnt be using this stuff just cause it is new. there are normal remedies, malachite, methlene blue and PP that work GREAT. MB for example is used to treat GF eggs against fungus. Ingrid "Bill Stock" wrote: OK, I wimped out, didn't go with the Potassium Permanganate. I did not want to wipe out the Biofilter, as some had suggested. So I picked up some Pimafix and Melafix for the boys. Only the one large fish has a noticeable fungal infection (fuzzy white spot on his snout, but the others are showing signs of a secondary bacterial infection. I applied 7 tsps of the Pimafix yesterday and a good deal of the fuzz was gone this morning. I thought I saw a brown spot of the center of the fungus this morning. I applied a second dose of Pimafix this afternoon and the brown spot is gone. Now there is just a hole where the white fuzz had been, like a bad zit. The Pimafix says to apply for seven days, but I've noticed that this stuff really freaks the fish out when you add it. Does this stuff sting or is it just the smell that bothers them? Secondly, the blurb says I can use the Melafix and Pimafix together. What's the Melafix going to do for me (the fishies) that Pimafix does not. Comments from Pimafix/Melafix users appreciated. My fish has no ill effects from melafix at all. I have not used pima fix as of yet. I used it on fish who was in a q-tank because he was new and he had a cotton like fluff comeing from a gill. And Melifix took care of that. Other than that, I have use it for torn fins on danios, minnows and a really sick ram. If I had a real sick fish, I would have other medications on standby. And if the fish was really bad I would use both. I did that with the Ram. took 3 weeks but he made it. I really didn't think he was going to live he was old. He lived another year and a half! I would not mix anything with PP though. If you are still thinking of trying that. I used Ingrid's sugestion on th estock solution and it worked well for me. Kay
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October 23rd 04, 01:27 AM
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[snip]
I used it on fish who was in a q-tank because he was new and he had a cotton like fluff comeing from a gill. And Melifix took care of that. Other than that, I have use it for torn fins on danios, minnows and a really sick ram. If I had a real sick fish, I would have other medications on standby. And if the fish was really bad I would use both. I did that with the Ram. took 3 weeks but he made it. I really didn't think he was going to live he was old. He lived another year and a half! I would not mix anything with PP though. If you are still thinking of trying that. I used Ingrid's sugestion on th estock solution and it worked well for me. Kay The fish with the fungus (cotton fluff) on his snout seems to have suffered a relapse. The first time I applied the Pimafix it really knocked it back. But know it seems to be returning. I gave him another dose today, so we'll see what happens. I might try the Melafix and Pimafix together if he does not completely heal. If I decide to try another treatment, I'll run carbon for a few days first. I looked at the Jungle fungus treatment today, ingredients were Salt, Potassium Chromate and Furlan? Sounds a lot like Salt and PP.
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#8
October 23rd 04, 02:15 AM
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Bill Stock wrote:
[snip] I used it on fish who was in a q-tank because he was new and he had a cotton like fluff comeing from a gill. And Melifix took care of that. Other than that, I have use it for torn fins on danios, minnows and a really sick ram. If I had a real sick fish, I would have other medications on standby. And if the fish was really bad I would use both. I did that with the Ram. took 3 weeks but he made it. I really didn't think he was going to live he was old. He lived another year and a half! I would not mix anything with PP though. If you are still thinking of trying that. I used Ingrid's sugestion on th estock solution and it worked well for me. Kay The fish with the fungus (cotton fluff) on his snout seems to have suffered a relapse. The first time I applied the Pimafix it really knocked it back. But know it seems to be returning. I gave him another dose today, so we'll see what happens. I might try the Melafix and Pimafix together if he does not completely heal. If I decide to try another treatment, I'll run carbon for a few days first. I looked at the Jungle fungus treatment today, ingredients were Salt, Potassium Chromate and Furlan? Sounds a lot like Salt and PP. I know there is a med with PP in it by Kordon I think. It has 3.8 percent which is the safe dosing. I only know about PP for disinfectant though. I never have had any other uses for it. Did you only use Pimafix once? Kay
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#9
October 23rd 04, 02:53 AM
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Bill,
You have to use the meds for the entire time stated. If you don't you will see the problem return. I use the meds for 7 to 10 days. The pimafix and melafix can be used in tandem. When used together the pimafix takes care of the problem and the melafix helps in the healing process. I don't know if you have read Ingrid's webpage and I have not read it recently, but the last time I saw it it was only good if you plan to make you child drink full strength tea tree esssential oil. Most of the cases that I saw featured there were case of extreme stupidity. Like the lady who put more on her bird because if a little worked great and lot should work better. Meds are just that, medications an they should be used as directed. If the Pimafix worked it is foolish to work with PP if you don't have to. Smart move guy. I don't know what is wrong with Ingrid, she has this thing in her ear about Melafix and refuses to listen to reason. If you have ever worked with Discus fish, fry specifically, it is the only med that has been found effective for discus fry with out killing the spawn. Good luck. Remember to use the meds for the specified amount of time. When and if I buy new fish part of my quarentine is a two week dosing of Melafix. Tom L.L. ------------------------------------- "Bill Stock" wrote in message ... [snip] I used it on fish who was in a q-tank because he was new and he had a cotton like fluff comeing from a gill. And Melifix took care of that. Other than that, I have use it for torn fins on danios, minnows and a really sick ram. If I had a real sick fish, I would have other medications on standby. And if the fish was really bad I would use both. I did that with the Ram. took 3 weeks but he made it. I really didn't think he was going to live he was old. He lived another year and a half! I would not mix anything with PP though. If you are still thinking of trying that. I used Ingrid's sugestion on th estock solution and it worked well for me. Kay The fish with the fungus (cotton fluff) on his snout seems to have suffered a relapse. The first time I applied the Pimafix it really knocked it back. But know it seems to be returning. I gave him another dose today, so we'll see what happens. I might try the Melafix and Pimafix together if he does not completely heal. If I decide to try another treatment, I'll run carbon for a few days first. I looked at the Jungle fungus treatment today, ingredients were Salt, Potassium Chromate and Furlan? Sounds a lot like Salt and PP.
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#10
October 23rd 04, 03:05 AM
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"Tom L. La Bron" wrote in message ... Bill, You have to use the meds for the entire time stated. If you don't you will see the problem return. I use the meds for 7 to 10 days. They're on day 3 of the Pimafix. I'll be adding the Melafix soon, but I have to work in a water change somewhere. The pimafix and melafix can be used in tandem. When used together the pimafix takes care of the problem and the melafix helps in the healing process. I don't know if you have read Ingrid's webpage and I have not read it recently, but the last time I saw it it was only good if you plan to make you child drink full strength tea tree esssential oil. Most of the cases that I saw featured there were case of extreme stupidity. Like the lady who put more on her bird because if a little worked great and lot should work better. Meds are just that, medications an they should be used as directed. If the Pimafix worked it is foolish to work with PP if you don't have to. Smart move guy. I don't know what is wrong with Ingrid, she has this thing in her ear about Melafix and refuses to listen to reason. If you have ever worked with Discus fish, fry specifically, it is the only med that has been found effective for discus fry with out killing the spawn. Good luck. Remember to use the meds for the specified amount of time. When and if I buy new fish part of my quarentine is a two week dosing of Melafix. Tom L.L. ------------------------------------- "Bill Stock" wrote in message ... [snip] I used it on fish who was in a q-tank because he was new and he had a cotton like fluff comeing from a gill. And Melifix took care of that. Other than that, I have use it for torn fins on danios, minnows and a really sick ram. If I had a real sick fish, I would have other medications on standby. And if the fish was really bad I would use both. I did that with the Ram. took 3 weeks but he made it. I really didn't think he was going to live he was old. He lived another year and a half! I would not mix anything with PP though. If you are still thinking of trying that. I used Ingrid's sugestion on th estock solution and it worked well for me. Kay The fish with the fungus (cotton fluff) on his snout seems to have suffered a relapse. The first time I applied the Pimafix it really knocked it back. But know it seems to be returning. I gave him another dose today, so we'll see what happens. I might try the Melafix and Pimafix together if he does not completely heal. If I decide to try another treatment, I'll run carbon for a few days first. I looked at the Jungle fungus treatment today, ingredients were Salt, Potassium Chromate and Furlan? Sounds a lot like Salt and PP.
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