Bio wheels? Are they any good at all?

"luminos" wrote in message
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| Idiot. You do not get published in peer-reviewed journals with
biased
| articles. Idiot.
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Luminos, please. You have much to contribute to this group, please do
not reduce what those here think of you by resorting to name-calling
everytime someone disagrees with you.

I do not ressert to this everytime. Sometimes, when an individual goes so
far as to ignore peer reviewed science, I get frustrated. I will try to
tame my passions.


"Billy" wrote in message
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"luminos" wrote in message
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| Idiot. You do not get published in peer-reviewed journals with
biased
| articles. Idiot.
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Luminos, please. You have much to contribute to this group, please do
not reduce what those here think of you by resorting to name-calling
everytime someone disagrees with you.

"luminos" wrote in message
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I do not ressert to this everytime. Sometimes, when an individual goes so
far as to ignore peer reviewed science, I get frustrated. I will try to
tame my passions.




I haven't ignored anything. I just pointed out that the manufacturer of a
product is not the best place to get unbiased information. I even pointed
it out tongue in cheek.

oh well, at least I learned who is ignorant in this ng ;o(

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Margolis
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http://www.unrealtower.org/faq

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:31:32 -0800, "Billy"
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"Donegal Paul" wrote in
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| Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any
real benefit
| at all?
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They don't REMOVE ammonia and nitrites persay.
What they do is provide an excellent environment for the
bacterium that process the waste in your tank. The alternating
immersion\emmersion seems to be superior to media that is always
underwater.


I will say a good word for underwater bios. I have a 29 gallon JEBO
glass tank with a built in filtration system. It has small ceramic
donuts as part of the filtration. This tank is consistently clear and
clean.

dick

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:11:44 -0600, "Limnophile"
wrote:


"Billy" wrote in message
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"Donegal Paul" wrote in
message ...
| Hi all, im a little confused by these, are they actually of any
real benefit
| at all?
|

They don't REMOVE ammonia and nitrites persay.
What they do is provide an excellent environment for the
bacterium that process the waste in your tank. The alternating
immersion\emmersion seems to be superior to media that is always
underwater.


They are pretty good when they work. You may have problems with thw wheel
getting stuck, or not turning if water flow decreases. I tried a few, one
worked well, 2 kept getting stuck.

Limnophile



I have two Penguins with a total of 4 wheels. I agree with
Limnophile, the sticking is frustrating. I can generally get the
wheel turning by wiping a finger along the bottom of the spillway and
the wheel. I suspect something hangs up on the wheel cartridge making
that side heavier.

dick

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:28:05 -0800, "Billy"
wrote:



"Limnophile" wrote in message
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| They don't REMOVE ammonia and nitrites persay.
| What they do is provide an excellent environment for the
| bacterium that process the waste in your tank. The alternating
| immersion\emmersion seems to be superior to media that is always
| underwater.
|
|
| They are pretty good when they work. You may have problems with thw
wheel
| getting stuck, or not turning if water flow decreases. I tried a
few, one
| worked well, 2 kept getting stuck.
|

Correct. It is important to keep the axles and axle-ways clean and
free of debris. It is normal for an established bio-wheel to 'hitch'
or stop on occasion, but if it stops long enough for the pleated
fabric to start drying, you have a problem. I prefer the filters with
a spray bar that is directed at the wheel to keep it rolling. Even
with the wheel loaded up with 2 years worth of gorp and slime, as
long as I keep the axles clear, it never stops.


What is the brand? How big are they. I foolishly positioned my 75
gallon tank too close to the wall and have a tight fit with the
Penguin 330s. I think it is about 4 inches of room to the wall.

dick

"Dick" said to "Billy"

Correct. It is important to keep the axles and axle-ways clean and
free of debris. It is normal for an established bio-wheel to 'hitch'
or stop on occasion, but if it stops long enough for the pleated
fabric to start drying, you have a problem. I prefer the filters with
a spray bar that is directed at the wheel to keep it rolling. Even
with the wheel loaded up with 2 years worth of gorp and slime, as
long as I keep the axles clear, it never stops.


What is the brand? How big are they. I foolishly positioned my 75
gallon tank too close to the wall and have a tight fit with the
Penguin 330s. I think it is about 4 inches of room to the wall.

The ones ive seen are made by a firm called hydor
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As a research biologist, I can say that you can indeed get published in peer
review journals with biased info. A lot of what does and does not get
published is political.


"luminos" wrote in message
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"Margolis" wrote in message
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"luminos" wrote in message
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See:

http://www.marineland.com/products/mllabs.asp

Check out the scientific literature by the director of Marineland on
that
site as well.





yup, that certainly is an unbiased analysis of biowheels ;op

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Margolis

http://web.archive.org/web/200302152...qs/AGQ2FAQ.htm
http://www.unrealtower.org/faq






Idiot. You do not get published in peer-reviewed journals with biased
articles. Idiot.

"Dick" wrote in message
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| I will say a good word for underwater bios. I have a 29 gallon
JEBO
| glass tank with a built in filtration system. It has small ceramic
| donuts as part of the filtration. This tank is consistently clear
and
| clean.
|

As an aside, clarity of water has little or nothing to do with the
health of the tank, or the suitability of the water to support fish.

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On 2004-11-21, Dick wrote:
fabric to start drying, you have a problem. I prefer the filters with
a spray bar that is directed at the wheel to keep it rolling. Even
with the wheel loaded up with 2 years worth of gorp and slime, as
long as I keep the axles clear, it never stops.


What is the brand? How big are they. I foolishly positioned my 75
gallon tank too close to the wall and have a tight fit with the
Penguin 330s. I think it is about 4 inches of room to the wall.

The Emperor filter works on the spray bar principle. I have one on a 29
gallon tank at my parents house. It's a nice filter, but it definitely
won't fit behind your tank. I did the same thing with my 40 gallon and
now I'm pretty much stuck with the penguin as well. ::-(


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Ross Vandegrift


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