Sick fish

In article .com,
"JeanneD" wrote:

They are a vertebrate. They have a brain, spinal cord and neural net
throughout their body... just like any mammal or reptile. The thing is,

a fish can't scream so how can we know it's in pain?

I guess I believe the scientists. They say no nervous system=no pain,
just a reactive system. I believe they feel pressure, the same way a
person can feel a doctor cut into them without pain when they've been
anesthetized first. But I'm open minded to both arguments and would
rather err on the side of caution.

If think I'd rather do the refridgerator thing than whack my little
black goldfish.

Jeanne


Yes... I understand. ;-)

We've talked about euthansia and processing on different animal lists.
The most "interesting" conversations have been about how to mercifully
kill chickens and various other farm animals for processing.

I know it's very hard for most people to "whack" their animals even tho'
it's a very good and quick way to put them down, but it's nice to have
alternatives.

Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for fish?

I've taken zoology classes with some comparitive anatomy. AFAIK
modern/advanced bony fish (Osteichthyes) do have a fully functional
nervous system???????
--
K.

Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

for those squeamish about whacking their beloved pets, putting them in
an old sock sometimes helps.

I used to have to kill mice for my pet snake, and I couldn't bear to
look at their cute little furry bodies and then smash them But it's
much more humane than letting my snake squeeze them until they're
paralized and then swallow them while they're still alive.

altho i'm pretty sure even with a sock I couldn't do that to one of my
fish. I'd have to have one of my roomates do it, or go with the clove
oil method.

In article .com,
"Kellbot" wrote:

for those squeamish about whacking their beloved pets, putting them in
an old sock sometimes helps.

I used to have to kill mice for my pet snake, and I couldn't bear to
look at their cute little furry bodies and then smash them But it's
much more humane than letting my snake squeeze them until they're
paralized and then swallow them while they're still alive.

Not to mention the fact that killed mice are safer for the snake so they
don't bite the snake during constriction. :-) This comes up on the herp
list all the time.

You do know there are many websites to purchase fresh frozen mice?


altho i'm pretty sure even with a sock I couldn't do that to one of my
fish. I'd have to have one of my roomates do it, or go with the clove
oil method.

Clove oil???
Do tell? I've not seen anything about that.


--
K.

Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

A search through the NG for "clove oil" should bring up more
information, but clove oil is sold as an oral anesthetic, and
overdosing your fish with it is considered a relatively humane way to
euthanize them. It's also used in small amouts to temporarily
anesthetize them to take care of wounds.

from an older post:
"The proper dose is 1 cc of eugenol (clove oil) + 9 ccs vodka to one
gallon
of water. Or for larger fish 2cc of eugenol (clove oil) to 18cc of
vodka to
2 gallons of water. Use the same ratio of 1cc eugenol/9cc vodka for
every
gallon of water you use. Mix the clove oil and vodka together before
adding
to water. After you add the mixture to the water, place the fish in the
solution. LEAVE THE FISH IN THE SOLUTION FOR APPROX 10 MINUTES. The
results are very quick and painless."

hth.

In article . com,
"Kellbot" wrote:

A search through the NG for "clove oil" should bring up more
information, but clove oil is sold as an oral anesthetic, and
overdosing your fish with it is considered a relatively humane way to
euthanize them. It's also used in small amouts to temporarily
anesthetize them to take care of wounds.

from an older post:
"The proper dose is 1 cc of eugenol (clove oil) + 9 ccs vodka to one
gallon
of water. Or for larger fish 2cc of eugenol (clove oil) to 18cc of
vodka to
2 gallons of water. Use the same ratio of 1cc eugenol/9cc vodka for
every
gallon of water you use. Mix the clove oil and vodka together before
adding
to water. After you add the mixture to the water, place the fish in the
solution. LEAVE THE FISH IN THE SOLUTION FOR APPROX 10 MINUTES. The
results are very quick and painless."

hth.


Thank you! I've saved this to my files for the possibility that I may
need it, and it answers my question about dosage.
--
K.

Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

Kellbot wrote:

The proper dose is 1 cc of eugenol (clove oil) + 9 ccs vodka to one
gallon
of water.

I have a special, really cheap and cheesy bottle of vodka just for those
rare occasions...

"It's for medicinal reasons... Honest!"

-D
--
"One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem,
see a fine picture, and, if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable
words." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"Katra" wrote in message
...
snip
Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for fish?
snip

There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Fish/
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

-Donald
--
"One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem,
see a fine picture, and, if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable
words." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

In article ,
Donald K wrote:

Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

-Donald

I'm new... Sorry! ;-)
Guess I ought to Google first and ask questions later? lol
--
K.

Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

"Katra" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Donald K wrote:

Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

-Donald

I'm new... Sorry! ;-)
Guess I ought to Google first and ask questions later? lol
--

If everyone did that Usenet would be dead. Post away.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.