Sick fish

"Katra" wrote in message
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Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for fish?
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There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.


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Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

-Donald
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see a fine picture, and, if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable
words." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Donald K wrote:

Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

-Donald

I'm new... Sorry! ;-)
Guess I ought to Google first and ask questions later? lol
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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

"Katra" wrote in message
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In article ,
Donald K wrote:

Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

-Donald

I'm new... Sorry! ;-)
Guess I ought to Google first and ask questions later? lol
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"Donald K" wrote in message
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Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

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It must be in rotation, as we discussed it again last month on rec.ponds.


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"Benign Vanilla" wrote:


"Katra" wrote in message
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Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for fish?
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There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.


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Great link!
Thank you!
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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

"Katra" wrote in message
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote:


"Katra" wrote in message
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Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for
fish?
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There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.
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Great link!
Thank you!

I've archived it at http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Fish/Illness/, in
case you want to find it again.


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"Benign Vanilla" wrote:

"Katra" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Benign Vanilla" wrote:


"Katra" wrote in message
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Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for
fish?
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There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.
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Great link!
Thank you!

I've archived it at http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Fish/Illness/, in
case you want to find it again.

I bookmarked it...... ;-)
Goes into my critter file.
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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

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"Benign Vanilla" wrote:

There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.


Great link!
Thank you!

I quote from http://www.fda.gov/cvm/guidance/guide150.pdf
"...neither clove oil nor any individual active ingredient of
clove oil (eugenol, isoeugenol, or methyleugenol) is approved
for use for the anesthesia of fish."

That's from the FDA/CVM -- Center for Veterinary Medicine.
The document mentioned earlier from UNMC also doesn't list
eugenol or clove oil.

Now, I strongly suspect this actually means as a treatment
for animals being raised as human foods.

But I still maintain that the best way is to put them in
a tupperware or ziplock container full of water, put it
in the freezer, shut the door, and don't look until it's
a solid block. Whether they feel pain or not is less important
than how _I_ feel if I see them struggle or if I am forced to
bash them with a hammer.

Gunther

"Gunther" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Benign Vanilla" wrote:

There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.


Great link!
Thank you!

I quote from http://www.fda.gov/cvm/guidance/guide150.pdf
"...neither clove oil nor any individual active ingredient of
clove oil (eugenol, isoeugenol, or methyleugenol) is approved
for use for the anesthesia of fish."

Great link, thanks! I added a new area to house links on clove oil,
http://www.iheartmypond.com/Treatments/CloveOil/.

That's from the FDA/CVM -- Center for Veterinary Medicine.
The document mentioned earlier from UNMC also doesn't list
eugenol or clove oil.

Now, I strongly suspect this actually means as a treatment
for animals being raised as human foods.

I think what it means is it has not been thoroughly tested so it is not
blessed. Seeing as it is a low priority, it'll probably never get the time
and money to be treated as a FDS blessed product. That doesn't mean it
doesn't work!

But I still maintain that the best way is to put them in
a tupperware or ziplock container full of water, put it
in the freezer, shut the door, and don't look until it's
a solid block. Whether they feel pain or not is less important
than how _I_ feel if I see them struggle or if I am forced to
bash them with a hammer.

How we feel plays a big role in how they feel. Very true.


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