Sick fish

In article .com,
"JeanneD" wrote:

Thanks to everyone for their help. The little black GF is in the
freezer. I'll dispose of him before he gets freezer burn. After reading
through the fish illnesses I didn't think I could cure him. Presently I
have two healthy fish remaining, a pretty calico and a big fantail
white GF. Thanks again!

Jeanne


Condolences.........
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K.

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In article ,
"Benign Vanilla" wrote:


"Lilly" wrote in message
oups.com...
The ones that are about 18-20" deep and 6' (?) or so across make great
"ponds", if you can live with the kiddie graphics (i.e.: Little Mermaid
etc). At the end of the season, they are dirt cheap and usually less
than $20.

In many areas, this won't be deep enough to protect the fish from a hard
freeze. Just keep that in mind when using one of these pools for a pond.
Also, these pools are not designed to take years and years and years of
sunlight, so they will break down and leak eventually.

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BV

I have little concern for ice here...
My biggest problem is the prevelance of blue and green herons.

I plan to build mine under a tree, and just keep a leaf skimmer handy.
That will hopefully prevent herons from spotting it on flyovers.

Might also keep some Owl decoys handy.
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K.

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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

In article , "~ Windsong ~" P@P
wrote:

"Katra" wrote in message
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15 gallons per fish... Wow.

What kind of circulation setup do you use in the pools, or is one
necessary in a pool with that much surface area for oxygen diffusion?

## The GF do fine in those without circulation but need more cleaning
because of the plants. But then I only have 6 to 8 per pool. And we're
talking about good size fish here. Plants themselves make "dirt" in the
water. I use cheap powerheads from Foster & Smith. I make gravel filters
with them (cheap gravel from Lowe's) in a free empty flower pot. Sometimes
I only use cheap plastic window screening. That works as well as the gravel
to trap particles. the gravel "pots" are probably better for biological
filtration. But then the plants themselves are surely covered with good
bacteria. The powerhead pumps are quite enough circulation because of the
huge air-water interface for 10 GF. I clean these pools out about once a
year in any case.

Sounds wonderful...

Do you have any jpegs?

I'll probably opt for pond liners as this will be decorative, but it's
nice to see alternatives.
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K.

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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

Katra wrote:

In article .com,
"Lilly" wrote:

And I have three in a 75G tank which makes for 25G/fish. More water
volume is always better when it comes to our big, loveable
poop-factories. ;-)


And slime factories... ;-)
I've read that that is an even worse problem?

Don't catfish clean up poop?
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Catfish? errmm no!

"Donald K" wrote in message
...
Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

snip

It must be in rotation, as we discussed it again last month on rec.ponds.


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BV
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"Katra" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Benign Vanilla" wrote:


"Katra" wrote in message
...
snip
Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for
fish?
snip

There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.
snip
Great link!
Thank you!

I've archived it at http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Fish/Illness/, in
case you want to find it again.


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In article ,
Charles wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:09:21 -0600, Katra
wrote:

In article ,
Charles wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:46:21 -0600, Katra
wrote:

(snip)
alternatives.

Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for fish?


There is. Clove oil. A pharmacist can get it for you if they don't
stock it. It's what a vet uses to anesthetize the fish for surgery,
an overdose kills them gently. I've used it to put down some fish, it
looks very peaceful, I almost wanted to try it myself.

Tch! No you don't!!! :-(

Thanks tho' for the hint. I hope I never have to use it, but it's nice
to know!

What is the "dosage"? I think for humans, clove oil is for toothache?


Five drops per gallon to put them to sleep for a while, fifteen drops
in a gallon to make it permanent.

It took about ten minutes for a goldfish to stop all movement, but it
looked SO peaceful.

Just went to sleep...

Wow.

Thanks!
--
K.

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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

"Katra" wrote in message
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In article ,
Donald K wrote:

Ah,

The fish pain debate... I suppose it's been almost a year since this one
has rolled through...

-Donald

I'm new... Sorry! ;-)
Guess I ought to Google first and ask questions later? lol
--

If everyone did that Usenet would be dead. Post away.


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http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

"Katra" wrote in message
...
In article , "~ Windsong ~" P@P
wrote:

"Katra" wrote in message
...
==============
15 gallons per fish... Wow.

What kind of circulation setup do you use in the pools, or is one
necessary in a pool with that much surface area for oxygen diffusion?

## The GF do fine in those without circulation but need more cleaning
because of the plants. But then I only have 6 to 8 per pool. And we're
talking about good size fish here. Plants themselves make "dirt" in the
water. I use cheap powerheads from Foster & Smith. I make gravel
filters
with them (cheap gravel from Lowe's) in a free empty flower pot.
Sometimes
I only use cheap plastic window screening. That works as well as the
gravel
to trap particles. the gravel "pots" are probably better for biological
filtration. But then the plants themselves are surely covered with good
bacteria. The powerhead pumps are quite enough circulation because of
the
huge air-water interface for 10 GF. I clean these pools out about
once a
year in any case.

Sounds wonderful...

Do you have any jpegs?

I'll probably opt for pond liners as this will be decorative, but it's
nice to see alternatives.
--
K.

I have some pics of my pond here, http://ihmp.net/@/s. I used 45mil EPDM.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

In article ,
Geezer From The Freezer wrote:

Katra wrote:

In article .com,
"Lilly" wrote:

And I have three in a 75G tank which makes for 25G/fish. More water
volume is always better when it comes to our big, loveable
poop-factories. ;-)


And slime factories... ;-)
I've read that that is an even worse problem?

Don't catfish clean up poop?
--

Catfish? errmm no!

Okay, so is there any scavenger fish that helps keep the golfish poopies
cleaned up somewhat?

Loaches? Crawfish? Crabs?

The danger to keeping even baby crawfish in a tank tho' is that once
they get too big, they will harrass the fish. Made that mistake once
with my fantails. It shredded the lower part of their tails and fins.
:-( I removed it and they grew back ok, but still!!!

Little crawfishy went into a shallow turtle bowl where he did well for a
few months, they kitty decided it was a snack.

sigh
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K.

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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain