Sick fish

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In many areas, this won't be deep enough to protect the fish from a hard
freeze. Just keep that in mind when using one of these pools for a pond.
Also, these pools are not designed to take years and years and years of
sunlight, so they will break down and leak eventually.

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BV

I have little concern for ice here...
My biggest problem is the prevelance of blue and green herons.

I plan to build mine under a tree, and just keep a leaf skimmer handy.
That will hopefully prevent herons from spotting it on flyovers.

Might also keep some Owl decoys handy.

My pond is very covered by an Oak tree, and three large pine trees. The VF
is protected by a fence on one side, and bushes on another. For two years,
no Heron. This year, he found it. I have no idea how. I have pics of my yard
from an airplane, and the pond is invisible.


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"Katra" wrote in message
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Too bad there is no "sleepy" chemical one can put in the water for
fish?
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There are, http://www.unmc.edu/Education/Animal/guide/appenG8.html.
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Great link!
Thank you!

I've archived it at http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Fish/Illness/, in
case you want to find it again.

I bookmarked it...... ;-)
Goes into my critter file.
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15 gallons per fish... Wow.

What kind of circulation setup do you use in the pools, or is one
necessary in a pool with that much surface area for oxygen diffusion?

## The GF do fine in those without circulation but need more cleaning
because of the plants. But then I only have 6 to 8 per pool. And we're
talking about good size fish here. Plants themselves make "dirt" in the
water. I use cheap powerheads from Foster & Smith. I make gravel
filters
with them (cheap gravel from Lowe's) in a free empty flower pot.
Sometimes
I only use cheap plastic window screening. That works as well as the
gravel
to trap particles. the gravel "pots" are probably better for biological
filtration. But then the plants themselves are surely covered with good
bacteria. The powerhead pumps are quite enough circulation because of
the
huge air-water interface for 10 GF. I clean these pools out about
once a
year in any case.

Sounds wonderful...

Do you have any jpegs?

I'll probably opt for pond liners as this will be decorative, but it's
nice to see alternatives.
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K.

I have some pics of my pond here, http://ihmp.net/@/s. I used 45mil EPDM.

Nice pictures! You are right. The kiddie pools dont' look like kiddie
pools!

I'd not even considered the local snakes are going to be a problem. :-(
Good shot of that one.
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote:

"Katra" wrote in message
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In many areas, this won't be deep enough to protect the fish from a hard
freeze. Just keep that in mind when using one of these pools for a pond.
Also, these pools are not designed to take years and years and years of
sunlight, so they will break down and leak eventually.

--
BV

I have little concern for ice here...
My biggest problem is the prevelance of blue and green herons.

I plan to build mine under a tree, and just keep a leaf skimmer handy.
That will hopefully prevent herons from spotting it on flyovers.

Might also keep some Owl decoys handy.

My pond is very covered by an Oak tree, and three large pine trees. The VF
is protected by a fence on one side, and bushes on another. For two years,
no Heron. This year, he found it. I have no idea how. I have pics of my yard
from an airplane, and the pond is invisible.

Sense of smell perhaps? ;-)

What did you do about it other than to chase it off?
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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

"Katra" wrote in message
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My pond is very covered by an Oak tree, and three large pine trees. The
VF
is protected by a fence on one side, and bushes on another. For two
years,
no Heron. This year, he found it. I have no idea how. I have pics of my
yard
from an airplane, and the pond is invisible.

Sense of smell perhaps? ;-)

What did you do about it other than to chase it off?
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Nilla, the water gardening Husky unleashed an attack with her sonic defense
weapontry. I employed a "flapping, yelling, screaming, jumping, hooting"
technique. We repeated this for three days.


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"Katra" wrote in message
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I have some pics of my pond here, http://ihmp.net/@/s. I used 45mil
EPDM.

Nice pictures! You are right. The kiddie pools dont' look like kiddie
pools!

I'd not even considered the local snakes are going to be a problem. :-(
Good shot of that one.

To be clear...I used EPDM not kiddie pools.

The snake was cool. He ate a frog, and did not appear again.


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I've been begging my husband to let me flood the basement for the fish,
but to no avail! Even a 300G vessel is a bit of a pipe dream for me.

green w/envy...Lilly

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And I have three in a 75G tank which makes for 25G/fish. More water
volume is always better when it comes to our big, loveable
poop-factories. ;-)


I have a nearly 3000 gallon pond with 4 koi and 5 goldies. How's that
for
water to fish ratio? LOL.

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And slime factories... ;-)

No slime problem here with my GF.

I've read that that is an even worse problem?

Excessive slime is sometimes a sign of an illness in the fish. Though
it can be pH related. Years ago I remember reading about how some of
the LFSs would purposely alter the pH, I recall it being reduced to
acidic pHs. As a result the fish would not have as much slime coat and
thus their color would be more vibrant. They would wind up being able
to sell the fish faster and usually for more money.

Don't catfish clean up poop?
Only if you give them a teeny little broom and dust pan. ;-)

Lilly

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Don't catfish clean up poop?
Only if you give them a teeny little broom and dust pan. ;-)
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That's just silliness. You can't sweep under water. You need to give them
little shop vacs.


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"Katra" wrote in message
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I have little concern for ice here...
My biggest problem is the prevelance of blue and green herons.

## E We have to net our ponds or we would lose every fish we have. We have
no choice. We not only have herons but snapper turtles, large water snakes
and bullfrogs as big as your head.

I plan to build mine under a tree, and just keep a leaf skimmer handy.
That will hopefully prevent herons from spotting it on flyovers.

#3 Not true! If herons are in your area you will need to net your ponds or
kiddy pools.

Might also keep some Owl decoys handy.

# Tried them and the fake snakes - they're worthless.
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