NEW Anenome

YES, anemones have a very powerful sting and can kill about any coral they
come in contact with. as well as fish other then clowns who are immune to
the stings.

kc


"news" wrote in message
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Stinging anything? They sting?


"TomW" wrote in message
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I've got the same problem with a LTA.
It just sits in the corner and doesn't seem to want to eat. I've tried
frozen krill (thawed of course) and small pieces of fresh shimp. It just
doesn't seem interested.
-Tom

They won't seek out the coral will they?
"Dragon Slayer" wrote in message
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YES, anemones have a very powerful sting and can kill about any coral they
come in contact with. as well as fish other then clowns who are immune to
the stings.

kc


"news" wrote in message
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Stinging anything? They sting?


"TomW" wrote in message
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I've got the same problem with a LTA.
It just sits in the corner and doesn't seem to want to eat. I've tried
frozen krill (thawed of course) and small pieces of fresh shimp. It
just
doesn't seem interested.
-Tom

no, but when the wander around they always find a way to wrap themselves
around your favorite coral and kill it before you notice its doing it.

kc

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They won't seek out the coral will they?
"Dragon Slayer" wrote in message
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YES, anemones have a very powerful sting and can kill about any coral
they
come in contact with. as well as fish other then clowns who are immune
to
the stings.

kc


"news" wrote in message
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Stinging anything? They sting?


"TomW" wrote in message
...
I've got the same problem with a LTA.
It just sits in the corner and doesn't seem to want to eat. I've
tried
frozen krill (thawed of course) and small pieces of fresh shimp. It
just
doesn't seem interested.
-Tom

"Dragon Slayer" wrote in message ...
YES, anemones have a very powerful sting and can kill about any coral they
come in contact with. as well as fish other then clowns who are immune to
the stings.

Define "immune".

To my knowledge, the "immunity" stems from the clown rubbing itself at
the base of the anemone to cover itself in mucus from the anemone
itself - this "tricks" the anemone into thinking that the fish is
actually part of the anemone, and it doesn't ever sting itself!

fwiw - a clown which has had it's protective coating removed, or worn
off over time, will have to re-coat itself in the mucus from the
anemone's base, or it will be stung - potentially fatally!

Clowns have no "immunity" to stings from the anemones they host with -
they have a "learned behavior" which allows them to co-exist, or to
make use of a "fail-safe" in the anemone's killing process. Their
symbiotic relationship is actually a clever fish's way of exploiting a
safeguard the anemone has which prevents it from stinging itself.

Given that the anemone actually does the killing in this arrangement
of clown/host anemone, the clown is almost saprophytic (feeds on the
dead flesh of another organism). Although it's true that the clowns
will "lure" for the anemone, the relationship is purely selfish on the
part of the clown - it's not trying to "feed" the anemone, but rather
lure an unsuspecting fish to it's own dinner table.

hth

Greg Hewitt-Long


kc


"news" wrote in message
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Stinging anything? They sting?


"TomW" wrote in message
...
I've got the same problem with a LTA.
It just sits in the corner and doesn't seem to want to eat. I've tried
frozen krill (thawed of course) and small pieces of fresh shimp. It just
doesn't seem interested.
-Tom

well it just so happens that i traded for a new carpet anemone today to add
back to my tank where i lost my huge one a few months back during a move.
the clown's were checking out the anemone as it sat in the bag during
acclimation. when i put it in the tank the female went straight to the
tenticals and started rubbing all in them, never went to the base for any
kind of 'coating'. she is quite happy and it did not sting her, nor kill
her.

kc

"Dragon Slayer" wrote in message ...
well it just so happens that i traded for a new carpet anemone today to add
back to my tank where i lost my huge one a few months back during a move.
the clown's were checking out the anemone as it sat in the bag during
acclimation. when i put it in the tank the female went straight to the
tenticals and started rubbing all in them, never went to the base for any
kind of 'coating'. she is quite happy and it did not sting her, nor kill
her.

perhaps the clown has a mucus that is already compatible - I can't say
whether the clown's previous exposure to this genus of anemone is
responsible - but undoutably it's the mucus on the clown, NOT the fact
is has some kind of "immunity".


kc

so you yourself are suggesting that the clown has a mucus that gives it an
immunity to the sting. I'm pretty sure that with the growth of the clown
over the past several months that any form of anything it 'might' have got
off the previous anemone, would be long gone. therefore its developed an
immunity huh???

kc

"Dragon Slayer" wrote in message ...
so you yourself are suggesting that the clown has a mucus that gives it an
immunity to the sting.

The hell I am. The mucus protects the clown - that is NOT the same as
"immunity" - when you put on a coat to protect you from the cold, are
you immune to the cold? Hell NO!

I'm pretty sure that with the growth of the clown
over the past several months that any form of anything it 'might' have got
off the previous anemone, would be long gone. therefore its developed an
immunity huh???

No - not IMMUNITY. You are missing my whole point, they have no
immunity, but have a protective layer of mucus which endows them with
a protection by fooling the anemone into thinking that the clown in
part of the anemone - this is NOT the same as immunity.


kc

..........., the relationship is purely selfish on the
part of the clown - it's not trying to "feed" the anemone, but rather
lure an unsuspecting fish to it's own dinner table.



I don't know where you get this info from but that is a crock of
it.................


all the clowns I have that are hosting in an anemone (or even other things
in the tank) will grab up food and take it back to the anemone and feed it.
they are very 'unselfish' and the relationship between clown and the anemone
is beneficial to the both of them. the clown will also protect the anemone.

really curious now if your not 'trolling' here.

kc

"Dragon Slayer" wrote in message ...
..........., the relationship is purely selfish on the
part of the clown - it's not trying to "feed" the anemone, but rather
lure an unsuspecting fish to it's own dinner table.



I don't know where you get this info from but that is a crock of
it.................

In your opinion - you don't have a monopoly on those, and I'm sure
you've been wrong at least once in your life, this month, week, day -
all the time?

http://www.pbs.org/odyssey/odyssey/2...ranscript.html

As I'm sure you're aware, there is (always has been) a lot of
"theories" and hypotheses about just about anything that is not
"understood" - my knowledge comes from many, many hours observing when
I worked as a divemaster and dive instructor in Cairms, Queensland,
and from "expert" opinions who I have worked with, both in the marine
biology field, and from multiple sources who have many years of
observation in the field.

I've read many theories and opinions on the mucus and how it builds up
- I'm not opposed to thinking that it is generated by the clownfish
itself, or picked up from the anemone - the more I read, the more I
tend to think that it's probably "generated" by the clownfish itself -
the fact that it's the mucus that provides the protection does nothing
to remove the fact that there is NO IMMUNITY to the sting - the
purpose of the mucus is to PREVENT the anemone from stinging.

The mucus is the key - there is NO IMMUNITY.



all the clowns I have that are hosting in an anemone (or even other things
in the tank) will grab up food and take it back to the anemone and feed it.
they are very 'unselfish' and the relationship between clown and the anemone
is beneficial to the both of them. the clown will also protect the anemone.

really curious now if your not 'trolling' here.

Can't you take a second "opinion" on this, and I must somehow be
"trolling" - you must be a really insecure individual... quite sad
really...


kc