EPDM or HDPE

I dug a big hole (about 9000 square feet surface; 7 feet max. depth; bank at
4:1 slope) to make a waterfoul and wildlife pond. I have to use a liner. The
selection is between EPDM and HDPE.
which one is better?
do you have any link to suggest?

thanks a lot

pp

Hi Peter:
That is a very large area for a liner and will be expensive. If it is
seven feet deep and the soil is compacted it should be able to retain
sufficent level as a wildlife pond, depending the rainfall in your
area or if there is a natural spring feed.
I have purchased liners - for much smaller ponds- from Anjon Building
Products, Chesterfield, MO. and found them very good to deal with. The
best of luck!!!
Richard


http://www.anjonproducts.com/dave.htm

What is your plan for filtration? Is HDPE the stiffer, thinner stuff, also
called Permalon? (Off on tangent, where is Ken?)

I've only worked with EPDM, and from other posters here it seems easier to
work with as far as installing pipes and bottom drains. It is heavy though,
especially that much of it. ~ jan

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:02 GMT, "peter p@n" wrote:

I dug a big hole (about 9000 square feet surface; 7 feet max. depth; bank at
4:1 slope) to make a waterfoul and wildlife pond. I have to use a liner. The
selection is between EPDM and HDPE.
which one is better?
do you have any link to suggest?

thanks a lot

pp


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~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
What is your plan for filtration? Is HDPE the stiffer, thinner stuff, also
called Permalon? (Off on tangent, where is Ken?)

I've only worked with EPDM, and from other posters here it seems easier to
work with as far as installing pipes and bottom drains. It is heavy though,
especially that much of it. ~ jan


On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:50:02 GMT, "peter p@n" wrote:


I dug a big hole (about 9000 square feet surface; 7 feet max. depth; bank at
4:1 slope) to make a waterfoul and wildlife pond. I have to use a liner. The
selection is between EPDM and HDPE.
which one is better?
do you have any link to suggest?

thanks a lot

pp


I have used both and think they are both very good. The
EPDM will conform to the shape of the pond more easily, but
is very heavy. HDPE will fold and is lighter in weight and
much less expensive. I purchased my HDPE (Permalon) for
Kencofish.com and my EDPM is from Tetra - you can check out
their web sites.

--
Bonnie
NJ

That is a very large area for a liner and will be expensive. If it is
seven feet deep and the soil is compacted it should be able to retain
sufficent level as a wildlife pond, depending the rainfall in your
area or if there is a natural spring feed.

I dug the hole years ago and compacted the soil, but when I fill it (water
from a well) the pond gets empty in a couple of days.

What is your plan for filtration? Is HDPE the stiffer, thinner stuff, also
called Permalon?

What do you mean with filtration?
Yes, HDPE is high density polyethylene (like Permalon)

Have you considered sodium bentonite? A natural lined pond is usually the
best choice for wildlife. Why do you say you have to use a liner?
Dave

I considered sodium bentonite, I' d like it, but it implies a lot of soil
moving and waterproofing is not 100% sure.



The main factors in the selection are duration and sturdiness ( maybe my
horse could decide to take a bath...)
anyway I plan to protect the bank with stones and gravel.

thanks to all

pp

"peter p@n" wrote in message
...
That is a very large area for a liner and will be expensive. If it is
seven feet deep and the soil is compacted it should be able to retain
sufficent level as a wildlife pond, depending the rainfall in your
area or if there is a natural spring feed.

I dug the hole years ago and compacted the soil, but when I fill it (water
from a well) the pond gets empty in a couple of days.

What is your plan for filtration? Is HDPE the stiffer, thinner stuff, also
called Permalon?

What do you mean with filtration?
Yes, HDPE is high density polyethylene (like Permalon)

Have you considered sodium bentonite? A natural lined pond is usually the
best choice for wildlife. Why do you say you have to use a liner?
Dave

I considered sodium bentonite, I' d like it, but it implies a lot of soil
moving and waterproofing is not 100% sure.



The main factors in the selection are duration and sturdiness ( maybe my horse
could decide to take a bath...)
anyway I plan to protect the bank with stones and gravel.

thanks to all

pp

I don't know what the difference is in the cost, but maybe you should look inito
using a geotextile fabric. My understanding is that they are much easier to lay
down in a large hole such as yours.

http://www.sarnafilus.com/index/wate..._layers_wp.htm

Bentonite will seal it as good as any natural pond and you can reshape,
dredge or use an excavator on it without draining it. I would suggest you
get a small piece of HDPE and put some gravel on it and have the horse walk
on it before you decide. Make sure it is rounded gravel and a foot thick.

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"peter p@n" wrote in message
...
| That is a very large area for a liner and will be expensive. If it is
| seven feet deep and the soil is compacted it should be able to retain
| sufficent level as a wildlife pond, depending the rainfall in your
| area or if there is a natural spring feed.
|
| I dug the hole years ago and compacted the soil, but when I fill it (water
| from a well) the pond gets empty in a couple of days.
|
| What is your plan for filtration? Is HDPE the stiffer, thinner stuff,
also
| called Permalon?
|
| What do you mean with filtration?
| Yes, HDPE is high density polyethylene (like Permalon)
|
| Have you considered sodium bentonite? A natural lined pond is usually the
| best choice for wildlife. Why do you say you have to use a liner?
| Dave
|
| I considered sodium bentonite, I' d like it, but it implies a lot of soil
| moving and waterproofing is not 100% sure.
|
|
|
| The main factors in the selection are duration and sturdiness ( maybe my
| horse could decide to take a bath...)
| anyway I plan to protect the bank with stones and gravel.
|
| thanks to all
|
| pp
|
|

DH Wrote:
Bentonite will seal it as good as any natural pond and you can reshape,
dredge or use an excavator on it without draining it. I would suggest
you
get a small piece of HDPE and put some gravel on it and have the horse
walk
on it before you decide. Make sure it is rounded gravel and a foot
thick.

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"peter p@n" wrote in message
...
| That is a very large area for a liner and will be expensive. If it
is
| seven feet deep and the soil is compacted it should be able to
retain
| sufficent level as a wildlife pond, depending the rainfall in your
| area or if there is a natural spring feed.
|
| I dug the hole years ago and compacted the soil, but when I fill it
(water
| from a well) the pond gets empty in a couple of days.
|
| What is your plan for filtration? Is HDPE the stiffer, thinner
stuff,
also
| called Permalon?
|
| What do you mean with filtration?
| Yes, HDPE is high density polyethylene (like Permalon)
|
| Have you considered sodium bentonite? A natural lined pond is usually
the
| best choice for wildlife. Why do you say you have to use a liner?
| Dave
|
| I considered sodium bentonite, I' d like it, but it implies a lot of
soil
| moving and waterproofing is not 100% sure.
|
|
|
| The main factors in the selection are duration and sturdiness ( maybe
my
| horse could decide to take a bath...)
| anyway I plan to protect the bank with stones and gravel.
|
| thanks to all
|
| pp
|
|
I am considering bentomat but cannot locate a uk retailer. Does anyone
have this information?


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angela.copley wrote:

I am considering bentomat but cannot locate a uk retailer. Does anyone
have this information?

Bentonite is just a fine clay. Quite likely with a different name on your
side of the pond :-) I'd talk to landscapers.
--
derek

Have you considered sodium bentonite? A natural lined pond is usually the
best choice for wildlife. Why do you say you have to use a liner?
Dave
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"peter p@n" wrote in message
...
|I dug a big hole (about 9000 square feet surface; 7 feet max. depth; bank
at
| 4:1 slope) to make a waterfoul and wildlife pond. I have to use a liner.
The
| selection is between EPDM and HDPE.
| which one is better?
| do you have any link to suggest?
|
| thanks a lot
|
| pp
|
|