Backup for power failure

George Patterson wrote:

Tristan wrote:

As cheap as yu can find a small gen set for nowadays IMHO that s the
best option if you have a place to store it when its not in use......


And what if you aren't home when the power goes out? That UPS to which
the other annoying little troll posted a link seems the best way to go
to me.

George Patterson
No one ever says "It's only a game." when his team is winning.


Yah, but it's EXPENSIVE.

Why can't a gen set be an option if you live in an apartment? Are
you allowed to have a LP gas grill? For a mere 125 bucks most if mnot
all th emajority of gas engines can be converted to run off LP gas, so
there is not any storage of any fuels other than the typical LP bottle
on the gas grill, and once the gas supply is disconnected its no
longer a possible fire potential due to fuel in a typical gas tank.
Aprtments in this region all have storage areas where folks keep odds
and ends......as such...I am sure for a lot less than 3 grand a means
to powering up and not suffering thrugh a lower outage is able to be
done quite easily. Those in storm / cane prone areas where power
outages do and wil occur just do not have an excuse to try and go
short term. Its gonna bite them bigger than life.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:38:13 -0500, that *other* annoying little troll
wrote:

Tristan wrote:

As cheap as yu can find a small gen set for nowadays IMHO that s the
best option if you have a place to store it when its not in use......

Inverters etc are all well anf fine, but what happens if yu need the
vehicle. Why burn gas to fuel a 4, 6 or 8 cyclinder engine when fuel
may be hard to find depending on reason for power outage. Same thing
for UPS.....most wil power typical systems for a hour or two, provkded
no lights or heater is used.....but then they too run out of
power......Thats the big thing with any battery powered
device........
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True, but the UPS setup I recommended below will run a 50 watt load for
about 105 hours. Without the noise and exhuast a generator creates.
Problem is it's over 3 grand. For those of us that live in apartments,
generators are not an option.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:00:21 -0500, that *other* annoying little troll
wrote:

KurtG wrote:


http://www.aquariumguys.com/silentairpump.html

I've heard that these pumps are a good investment for power outages
(which we frequently have in my locale).

The book that I'm reading implies that with a tall tank (like mine) and
lots of live rock (like mine), that the fishes could suffocate fairly
quickly.

Any comments?

--Kurt


Best way to go, if you can afford it, IMO:

http://tinyurl.com/2y54nd

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/...0%284%29UXBP24

Gives ya about 4 1/2 days for a couple powerheads plus an decent air
pump. better yet, just keep your skimmer running.



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that *other* annoying little troll wrote:

Yah, but it's EXPENSIVE.

So, buy a cheaper UPS. I would put my Tunze and skimmer on the thing. Total draw
of maybe 10 watts. I think I could run that for days on a $40 UPS.

George Patterson
No one ever says "It's only a game." when his team is winning.

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"Tristan" wrote in message
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Blah] [mumble] [blah] you mentioned the [mumble] Ed Alston [whine] [mumble]
Hipcrime. I [yap-yap-yap] a copy of hipcrime [mumble] some [ramble]
[mumble] [blah] [bark] [mumble] Carol [mumble] [blah] [yap-yap-yap] liked
the way [Blah] worked.[Spew] and I [blah] may have to go and install
[blah] Gail
[chatter] library and [cackle] and see [blah] [gobble] it [mumble] do.
[Mumble] [mutter] something [mumble] [yelp] [howl] to make groups
[blah] [babble] [mumble] delete groups, [blah] Carol [Mumble] [mumble]
[blah] wrong on that aspect, but I do [mumble] Gail [stutter] Ed Alston
[blah] for
manipulating posts......but back [blubber] I had [mumble] need, now I
have [mumble] Carol [bitch] so [mumble] now there [mumble] a need......


[Mumble] [spit] jogging my [mumble] with [yackety-yak] [mumble]
hipcrime. [gibber] Carol [lament] Ed Alston [Blah] [blah] it somewhere
around my
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sleep
[spew]...........

Just Roy

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Blah] [mumble] [blah] you mentioned the [mumble] Ed Alston [whine] [mumble]
Hipcrime. I [yap-yap-yap] a copy of hipcrime [mumble] some [ramble]
[mumble] [blah] [bark] [mumble] Carol [mumble] [blah] [yap-yap-yap] liked
the way [Blah] worked.[Spew] and I [blah] may have to go and install
[blah] Gail
[chatter] library and [cackle] and see [blah] [gobble] it [mumble] do.
[Mumble] [mutter] something [mumble] [yelp] [howl] to make groups
[blah] [babble] [mumble] delete groups, [blah] Carol [Mumble] [mumble]
[blah] wrong on that aspect, but I do [mumble] Gail [stutter] Ed Alston
[blah] for
manipulating posts......but back [blubber] I had [mumble] need, now I
have [mumble] Carol [bitch] so [mumble] now there [mumble] a need......


[Mumble] [spit] jogging my [mumble] with [yackety-yak] [mumble]
hipcrime. [gibber] Carol [lament] Ed Alston [Blah] [blah] it somewhere
around my
[yak-yak-yak] here, and [huff and puff] Carol [spew] it. Losing quality
sleep
[spew]...........

Just Roy

I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"that *other* annoying little troll" wrote in message . ..
And what if you aren't home when the power goes out? That UPS to which
the other annoying little troll posted a link seems the best way to go
to me.

Yah, but it's EXPENSIVE.

UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply) will always be expensive
because it has advanced electronics to monitor precisely each
period of AC current and provide output without a missing power
for a milisecond. This is done for your computers/servers to not
reset when there would be some power glitch...

You do not need such advanced protection for your fish tank.
That is why a simple relay with one coil running straight from 120AC
(or if you have to use low voltage coil relay you add powerpack)
and with this cheap system you will have a moment without power,
lets say 20-50ms, time for the relay to react and switch over...
But this is ok for a fish tank. As soon as the relay switches over
your output to battery+inverter you will only be limited with the
size of the battery you get.

I have got a very large marine deep cycle battery at Walmart for
less than $80 EverStart MAXX-29. The battery is humongous.
I got it in 2003 and it still works great every power outage I have here.
All this with 10 dollar relay, 15 dolar inverter and 9 dolar charger
and some wire plus little time to assembly everything together.

"that *other* annoying little troll" wrote in message . ..
True, but the UPS setup I recommended below will run a 50 watt load for
about 105 hours. Without the noise and exhuast a generator creates.
Problem is it's over 3 grand. For those of us that live in apartments,
generators are not an option.

For less than $200 you could assemble similar system yourself
with marine battery + one relay + cheapo inverter and some wire.

"Tristan" wrote in message ...
Why can't a gen set be an option if you live in an apartment? Are
you allowed to have a LP gas grill? For a mere 125 bucks most if mnot
all th emajority of gas engines can be converted to run off LP gas, so
there is not any storage of any fuels other than the typical LP bottle
on the gas grill, and once the gas supply is disconnected its no
longer a possible fire potential due to fuel in a typical gas tank.
Aprtments in this region all have storage areas where folks keep odds
and ends......as such...I am sure for a lot less than 3 grand a means
to powering up and not suffering thrugh a lower outage is able to be
done quite easily. Those in storm / cane prone areas where power
outages do and wil occur just do not have an excuse to try and go
short term. Its gonna bite them bigger than life.

I am guessing you were never living in any large appartment building,
lets say on 4 floor, 100 yards from the front door ? :-)
Where are you going to put this generator ? Where do you run cables ?
Be real. Generators are not for apartments, unless you are willing
to run them right in your living room, next to the aquarium :-)))

Thats not like an apartment I am familiar with, thats more like a
hotel, if your living quarters is so far from a outside entry door. I
guess I can see your point on that with a lot of lofts or apartments
in the older larger towon instead of the newer ones......thats built
nowadays. Sorry I was zeroed in on the typical sytyles od aprtments
normally encountered around here.



On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:45:32 -0600, "Pszemol"
wrote:

"Tristan" wrote in message ...
Why can't a gen set be an option if you live in an apartment? Are
you allowed to have a LP gas grill? For a mere 125 bucks most if mnot
all th emajority of gas engines can be converted to run off LP gas, so
there is not any storage of any fuels other than the typical LP bottle
on the gas grill, and once the gas supply is disconnected its no
longer a possible fire potential due to fuel in a typical gas tank.
Aprtments in this region all have storage areas where folks keep odds
and ends......as such...I am sure for a lot less than 3 grand a means
to powering up and not suffering thrugh a lower outage is able to be
done quite easily. Those in storm / cane prone areas where power
outages do and wil occur just do not have an excuse to try and go
short term. Its gonna bite them bigger than life.

I am guessing you were never living in any large appartment building,
lets say on 4 floor, 100 yards from the front door ? :-)
Where are you going to put this generator ? Where do you run cables ?
Be real. Generators are not for apartments, unless you are willing
to run them right in your living room, next to the aquarium :-)))



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