humane killing of a 3" goldfish please

Hello Nick,

I've had to depend on euthanasia to bring to an end a sick fish at
times. The quickest, most painless way is to prepare an ice bath. Fill
a bowl with ice, had water to the level of the ice and put the fish in
completely covered. It puts them to sleep quick, 30 seconds it's all
over.

charlie

Or the ice bath shocks thier system.. I reality for aquariums I use the
frdige.. Slowly cooling down the bowl of water with tropicals is fine, now
GF .. that is a different story because they can live in the cool/cold water
no problem, thier metabolisim seriously slows down. I suppose the shock of
water tempeture change might do it, worked fine for guppies...

Timmer..


"charlie" wrote in message
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Hello Nick,

I've had to depend on euthanasia to bring to an end a sick fish at
times. The quickest, most painless way is to prepare an ice bath. Fill
a bowl with ice, had water to the level of the ice and put the fish in
completely covered. It puts them to sleep quick, 30 seconds it's all
over.

charlie

I always bury my bigger fish. Little tiny fry will go on the back lawn, to
"sleep" in the
stars!

easiest way - is put in a plastic bag and put in freezer.

MartinOsirus wrote:

easiest way - is put in a plastic bag and put in freezer.

Easiest yes, nicest no!

freezing is not painful.... ask people who have almost died from hypothermia. cold
numbs the pain receptors and the fish is feeling nothing at all when it finally
freezes. be sure to keep the fish in the freezer for a couple days. Ingrid


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wrote:

freezing is not painful.... ask people who have almost died from
hypothermia. cold numbs the pain receptors and the fish is feeling
nothing at all when it finally
freezes. be sure to keep the fish in the freezer for a couple days.
Ingrid

Not sure an analogy between a warm blooded mammal and a fish is valid in
this case. There still exists considerable debate within the scientific
community if fish feel pain _at all_.

Given that, there is, for me at least, a significant uncertainty to the
"humaneness" of killing a fish by freezing.

So, for me, I use the "clove oil/alcohol combination anesthetic
overdose" method.

Is it a PITA to find everything and administer? Yes.

But by my lights, it seems the method that stands the strongest chance
of being "humane" in face of significant uncertainty.

-D
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"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

right.. for us cold water is painful whereas for fish it most likely isnt.
I wont suggest you inhale the clove/alcohol combo, but rub some on your nasal
passages and see how gentle it really is. their gills are sensitive. one reason I
prefer cold water for numbing going into frozen. Ingrid

Donald Kerns wrote:
Not sure an analogy between a warm blooded mammal and a fish is valid in
this case. There still exists considerable debate within the scientific
community if fish feel pain _at all_.

Given that, there is, for me at least, a significant uncertainty to the
"humaneness" of killing a fish by freezing.

So, for me, I use the "clove oil/alcohol combination anesthetic
overdose" method.

Is it a PITA to find everything and administer? Yes.

But by my lights, it seems the method that stands the strongest chance
of being "humane" in face of significant uncertainty.

-D



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I have been conversing with Nick. His fish passed away during the night
some three days ago!

wrote in message
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right.. for us cold water is painful whereas for fish it most likely isnt.
I wont suggest you inhale the clove/alcohol combo, but rub some on your
nasal
passages and see how gentle it really is. their gills are sensitive. one
reason I
prefer cold water for numbing going into frozen. Ingrid

Donald Kerns wrote:
Not sure an analogy between a warm blooded mammal and a fish is valid in
this case. There still exists considerable debate within the scientific
community if fish feel pain _at all_.

Given that, there is, for me at least, a significant uncertainty to the
"humaneness" of killing a fish by freezing.

So, for me, I use the "clove oil/alcohol combination anesthetic
overdose" method.

Is it a PITA to find everything and administer? Yes.

But by my lights, it seems the method that stands the strongest chance
of being "humane" in face of significant uncertainty.

-D

wrote:

right.. for us cold water is painful whereas for fish it most likely
isnt. I wont suggest you inhale the clove/alcohol combo, but rub some
on your nasal
passages and see how gentle it really is. their gills are sensitive.
one reason I
prefer cold water for numbing going into frozen. Ingrid


OK, I'm an "try the experiment" sorta guy.

Next time I face the unfortunate task of killing one of my fish I will
perform the experiment. Alcohol/eugenol/water solution at the same
concentration as used on the fish.

Oye, try explaining THAT to LE

"Well officer, I had to put my fish down and... well I was wondering how
it feels and well... That's how I got a snoot-full. HONEST!"

Seeing that clove oil is also sold as a topical anesthesia for
tooth-ache and temporary fillings, only the alcohol should cause a
problem.

Working the math for a first order estimate...

The recommended level is 2ml of clove oil 8ml of alcohol in one gallon
of water (~3800ml). Assuming pure alcohol that would be... ah...0.4
proof plus a 0.05% solution of something that is supposed to be used at
full strength on humans.

Yeah, I'll sign up for that. I did worse at parties in college. ;-)

-D
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My sister used to walk the streets, but now she's on parole,
My brother runs a restaurant with bedrooms in the rear,
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