SWM seeks LCF (Large Carnivorous Fish)?

"\(\(\(\\\" John Lange"
wrote:

In Wisconsin we use Northern Pike or better yet "Tiger Muskie" Northerns
are easy to catch, but the Muskie has to be over 42" before they are legal.
But talk about a cool fish, 50" - 60" can be seen regularly.

I've seen them in the local fish store. not often, and yes, I asked,
they are raised for the pet trade, not caught.

A pond full of N. Pike would be interesting.

Sturgeon. Now that I think about it, I had considered it before.

According to http://www.sturgeon-web.co.uk/stur8a.html , Diamond
sturgeon gets to be 5' long in ponds, 15' in the wild. Seems about
the right size.

And as an added bonus, I overcome my problem of "pond full of vicious
fish means that one can't climb into the water when maintenance needs
to be performed:" Sturgeon seem to have no teeth, and just mouth the
food in.

Problematic in a way, though. Means the squirrels will have to decay
before edibility. Or I'll have to take a shovel to them. At least
when the fish is young. Now I just need to locate a supplier. The
only references that pop up in Google are located in the UK. (I'd
prefer not to try the international species importation thing.)

I wonder if it will eat my goldfish?

Happy days, though:

According to
http://nechakosturgeon.org/who/eat.html

"Someone once even found a dead cat inside a sturgeon. They were
pretty sure the cat was already dead with the sturgeon ate it."

Good times. : Good times.


Thanks to one and all for the suggestions. Catfish (flathead,
channel, and the like) are definitely my second choice.


On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:41:15 GMT, "\(\(\(\\\" John Lange"
wrote:

In Wisconsin we use Northern Pike or better yet "Tiger Muskie" Northerns
are easy to catch, but the Muskie has to be over 42" before they are legal.
But talk about a cool fish, 50" - 60" can be seen regularly.

Another good LARGE predator is Sturgeon. And when you get tired of them get
'em pregnant and the eggs make great caviar. You might even try large
Rainbow, Lake, or Brown Trout, I have seen large ones devour Ducks. What
about Salmon?

JOhn


"John Hines" wrote in message
.. .
Monty Burns wrote:

So here's my question: what kind of fish could I get that would eat
dead squirrels and grow to be 2-3 feet long?

A dawg that swims?

A bass will take care of the goldfish in no time flat but bass won't eat
something that isn't moving. A catfish would eat the dead carcass. However,
a carcass would just decompose/be eating by bugs all by itself.

"Monty Burns" wrote in message
...
Enter the stereotypical question : I want a big fish for a big pond,
that will eat small mammal carcasses / meat scraps / other fish.
(I've searched via Google, but can't find the answer)

--

I've got a pond full of goldfish, and although they're pretty, they're
not terribly entertaining.

I've also got an excess population of eastern grey squirrels (the
non-endangered type) that I routinely dispose of. Opossums, too.

I live in Washington state, where a layer of ice forms over the pond
in the winter. So tropical fish are out.

The pond is 13,000 gallons - a 35'x15' swimming pool, 6' deep in the
deep end. It's also a concrete pond, with a high pH. At present, it
doesn't have a lot of aeration, but I plan on changing that this
coming summer (adding a waterfall and 700 gallon biofilter)

So here's my question: what kind of fish could I get that would eat
dead squirrels and grow to be 2-3 feet long? Would a big catfish do
this? In my hollywood-addled mind, I'd love to see some vicious
pirhana action. (Of course, having owned a red-bellied pirhana
before, I know them to be rather boring in practice)

After reading all the stories about the giant chinese snakehead, it
sounds like what I would want (sans the on-land movement). Of course,
that fish is now quite illegal to import into my state. So an
alternate fish is required.

I realize this is probably not what most ponders are looking to raise.
But it's a serious question.

Thanks in advance.

PS: No, I don't have a wife. :

Bass will eat smaller rodents if they are moving when they hit the water. I
have even heard of them leaving the water to nab a bird out of an
overhanging tree branch.

JOhn


"Sam Hopkins" wrote in message
.. .
A bass will take care of the goldfish in no time flat but bass won't eat
something that isn't moving. A catfish would eat the dead carcass.
However,
a carcass would just decompose/be eating by bugs all by itself.

"Monty Burns" wrote in message
...
Enter the stereotypical question : I want a big fish for a big pond,
that will eat small mammal carcasses / meat scraps / other fish.
(I've searched via Google, but can't find the answer)

--

I've got a pond full of goldfish, and although they're pretty, they're
not terribly entertaining.

I've also got an excess population of eastern grey squirrels (the
non-endangered type) that I routinely dispose of. Opossums, too.

I live in Washington state, where a layer of ice forms over the pond
in the winter. So tropical fish are out.

The pond is 13,000 gallons - a 35'x15' swimming pool, 6' deep in the
deep end. It's also a concrete pond, with a high pH. At present, it
doesn't have a lot of aeration, but I plan on changing that this
coming summer (adding a waterfall and 700 gallon biofilter)

So here's my question: what kind of fish could I get that would eat
dead squirrels and grow to be 2-3 feet long? Would a big catfish do
this? In my hollywood-addled mind, I'd love to see some vicious
pirhana action. (Of course, having owned a red-bellied pirhana
before, I know them to be rather boring in practice)

After reading all the stories about the giant chinese snakehead, it
sounds like what I would want (sans the on-land movement). Of course,
that fish is now quite illegal to import into my state. So an
alternate fish is required.

I realize this is probably not what most ponders are looking to raise.
But it's a serious question.

Thanks in advance.

PS: No, I don't have a wife. :

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:22:13 GMT, Monty Burns wrote:

Enter the stereotypical question : I want a big fish for a big pond,
that will eat small mammal carcasses / meat scraps / other fish.
(I've searched via Google, but can't find the answer)
If only you had a pond with dirt embankments. You could get a
Mississippi Alligator. They would need the embankments to dig a
burrow and hibernate. I'm not sure the cold would affect them as they
have been know to survive in New York. That would take care of some
of your problems but it would create bigger ones I suppose.

naah. Forget it.

If only you had a pond with dirt embankments. You could get a
Mississippi Alligator.
Semi-funny story.... My sister lives down in Florida and a family she knew
kept losing their dogs. They chain the dog in the yard. Go to work, store,
whatever... Come home and the dog would be gone. Apparantly nearby is a
body of water with some well-fed alligators in it.

E.Otter

Could you explain why there will be so many dead critters showing up in
your pond? ~ jan
See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Defrosted~
Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Because I'd be putting them there.

I have a pest problem related to my fruit trees. Yes, the birds are
troublesome. But the squirrels are more irritatingly so. As they are
an unregulated species, and are depredating my crops, I find legal
justification in removing them.

Once dead, I have to dispose of them - this seems like a much more
nature-friendly way than plastic bags. :

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:57:56 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
wrote:

Could you explain why there will be so many dead critters showing up in
your pond? ~ jan
See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Defrosted~
Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:31:40 GMT, Monty Burns wrote:

Because I'd be putting them there.

I have a pest problem related to my fruit trees. Yes, the birds are
troublesome. But the squirrels are more irritatingly so. As they are
an unregulated species, and are depredating my crops, I find legal
justification in removing them.

Once dead, I have to dispose of them - this seems like a much more
nature-friendly way than plastic bags. :

WHATTTT???? We have a MUCH better way in the South.
They are fricaseed?, broiled, stewed or baked and served with rice and
gravy.

THE Old Man wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:31:40 GMT, Monty Burns wrote:


Because I'd be putting them there.

I have a pest problem related to my fruit trees. Yes, the birds are
troublesome. But the squirrels are more irritatingly so. As they are
an unregulated species, and are depredating my crops, I find legal
justification in removing them.

Once dead, I have to dispose of them - this seems like a much more
nature-friendly way than plastic bags. :

WHATTTT???? We have a MUCH better way in the South.
They are fricaseed?, broiled, stewed or baked and served with rice and
gravy.





let me guess, tastes like chicken, right?
or is it rabbit?

da wabbit kicked da bucket,
da wabbit kicked da bucket!


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