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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:55:33 GMT, wrote:

An outsourced
operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.; where some
greedy American corporation is saving a few pieces of Silver and displacing
American workers in the process.


That "greedy American corporation" is probably included in the 401(k)
retirement plans of most everybody who reads this. Average American
workers gain from this.

The savings the corporation makes gives them pricing power, causing the
average American worker to spend less money to acquire their goods and
services.

The establishment of business infrastructure in third world companies
require the purchase of capital goods from the United States. This is good
for average American workers who produce it.

The removal of expensively educated American workers from mundane
operations allows productivity to increase and engenders new business
enterprise in the United States. This is good for average American workers
(who aren't content with being lazy and insisting they keep the same job
for life).

For every non-competitive American job that is moved overseas, many more
poor local people are to work. Thus, many more people are allowed to
improve their lives. This injection of income encourages adoption of a
modern economy, government, and social stability which will reduce the
excuses for terrorism. This is good for average American workers - and
everybody else in the world.

The only people who really lose in the outsourcing equation are members of
outdated and inefficient un-American union labor.


BLReed

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Most of the outsourcing that corporations are committing to are high-end
technical positions. They save a ton of money by not having to pay
Americans to do these jobs. I think in the long run this will hurt America.
Eventually we will be a country of consumers.

"Byron L. Reed" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:55:33 GMT, wrote:

An outsourced
operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.; where
some
greedy American corporation is saving a few pieces of Silver and
displacing
American workers in the process.


That "greedy American corporation" is probably included in the 401(k)
retirement plans of most everybody who reads this. Average American
workers gain from this.

The savings the corporation makes gives them pricing power, causing the
average American worker to spend less money to acquire their goods and
services.

The establishment of business infrastructure in third world companies
require the purchase of capital goods from the United States. This is
good
for average American workers who produce it.

The removal of expensively educated American workers from mundane
operations allows productivity to increase and engenders new business
enterprise in the United States. This is good for average American workers
(who aren't content with being lazy and insisting they keep the same job
for life).

For every non-competitive American job that is moved overseas, many more
poor local people are to work. Thus, many more people are allowed to
improve their lives. This injection of income encourages adoption of a
modern economy, government, and social stability which will reduce the
excuses for terrorism. This is good for average American workers - and
everybody else in the world.

The only people who really lose in the outsourcing equation are members of
outdated and inefficient un-American union labor.


BLReed

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"LoveFish" wrote in message
. net...
| Most of the outsourcing that corporations are committing to are
high-end
| technical positions. They save a ton of money by not having to pay
| Americans to do these jobs. I think in the long run this will hurt
America.
| Eventually we will be a country of consumers.
|

************followup set to alt.politics.economics**********
in order to desist this horribly off-topic yet interesting
discussion.

Even the low-to-mid-pay type jobs are being outsourced. When you call
a computer company for tech support, chances are you'll be talking to
someone in India. Those jobs aren't what I'd call "high end". They
are moving anything they can offshore. The inflation in the US has
made it impossible to maintain thier profit margin with the wages
that American workers are *forced* to demand. Sure, people complain
that the workers in India are only paid 300 bucks a month, but guess
what? 300 bucks a month is enough to live on in India. They're happy
to do the job and happy with the pay. I see no way to fix this.
"Hanging up" won't fix anything, the companies simply can't afford to
stay in business over the long term with the way our economy is.
Consumers are demanding certain things from companies, and the only
way they can deliver is to cut costs in other areas. We're bitching
about a symptom here, folks, not a problem.


***********followup set to alt.politics.economics************
in order to legitimize this horribly off-topic yet interesting
discussion.
billy

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:26:10 GMT, "LoveFish"
wrote:

Most of the outsourcing that corporations are committing to are high-end
technical positions. They save a ton of money by not having to pay
Americans to do these jobs. I think in the long run this will hurt America.
Eventually we will be a country of consumers.

You can't consume if you don't produce.

Cheers,
Jason Henning

Jason Henning wrote:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:26:10 GMT, "LoveFish"
wrote:

Most of the outsourcing that corporations are committing to are
high-end
technical positions. They save a ton of money by not having to pay
Americans to do these jobs. I think in the long run this will hurt
America. Eventually we will be a country of consumers.

You can't consume if you don't produce.


For those system thinkers out there, we are working into a "Tragedy of
the Commons" situation.

The various corporations need consumers ( the common resource ), however
it is in each corporations' best interest to send their labor some
place else. This reduces the number of available consumers.

But the overall reduction in consumers, reduces the corporations'
profits, and thus makes sending more jobs someplace else more
attractive.

It should be noted that this is an unstable archtype... One with an
unhappy ending. This archtype is frequently found in the fishing
industry, for instance.

The typical solution for this archtype is for some outside agency to
take over management of the commons and regulate it.

Optimists believe that educating the various players to the fact that
they're in a "Tragedy of the Commons" situation and the effects thereof
will solve the solution on its own.

I'm not an optimist in this situation...

-Donald
--
"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy
enough people to make it worth the effort." -Herm Albright

We are in a Global economy today, plain and simple. These corporations that
are "American" companies and outsourcing these jobs to "foriegn" companies,
are in fact the same companioes that are also selling aggressively in these
foriegn markets. India is a massive market for the likes of Microsoft,
Cisco, or even Nestle. They buying the products, the companies have bases
there, why shouldn't they be entitles to some of the jobs? These companies
also have a huge amount of employees in the US of A who spend all their time
calling foriegn nations to solicit new clientele and to service existing
clientele.

Lets also not forget the "foriegn" companies that have opened up operations
here in North America. They aren't bringing boatloads of indians, chinese or
whatever from back home to work in these enterprises. They are hiring
american workers who are quite happily employed and unconcerned about
stealing the jobs of some poor indian or Chinese people back in Asia. (I
wonder how the economy would react if Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Kia, and
Hyundia all shut down their plants here in North America, fired a few
hundred thousand people in a fit of patriotism, and moved all those jobs
back home to properly deserving japanese and korean workers? )


The American economy could not survive for any length of time at its present
state w/o being an active player in the international market. .

"LoveFish" wrote in message
. net...
Most of the outsourcing that corporations are committing to are high-end
technical positions. They save a ton of money by not having to pay
Americans to do these jobs. I think in the long run this will hurt
America.
Eventually we will be a country of consumers.

"Byron L. Reed" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:55:33 GMT, wrote:

An outsourced
operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.; where
some
greedy American corporation is saving a few pieces of Silver and
displacing
American workers in the process.


That "greedy American corporation" is probably included in the 401(k)
retirement plans of most everybody who reads this. Average American
workers gain from this.

The savings the corporation makes gives them pricing power, causing the
average American worker to spend less money to acquire their goods and
services.

The establishment of business infrastructure in third world companies
require the purchase of capital goods from the United States. This is
good
for average American workers who produce it.

The removal of expensively educated American workers from mundane
operations allows productivity to increase and engenders new business
enterprise in the United States. This is good for average American
workers
(who aren't content with being lazy and insisting they keep the same job
for life).

For every non-competitive American job that is moved overseas, many more
poor local people are to work. Thus, many more people are allowed to
improve their lives. This injection of income encourages adoption of a
modern economy, government, and social stability which will reduce the
excuses for terrorism. This is good for average American workers - and
everybody else in the world.

The only people who really lose in the outsourcing equation are members
of
outdated and inefficient un-American union labor.


BLReed

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