guppy/fungus/dying

I usually post on alt.aquaria.tropical.fish.hobbist, I had posted a problem
I was having and netmax said to post it here, and maybe someone could help.
I have had a lot going on in my tanks so I will try and make it short

Had guppy tank set up for a year, had only 2 African dwarf frogs, 1 male
/female guppy, the female was pregnant had babies three times since
Christmas, babies were all fine up had no problems with them, both guppies
were healthy
then because I needed to have more females I went to lfs which was closing
and they had 8 guppies left so I just got them, still ended up with more
males then females but anyway, I made a mistake since at that time I had
both sets of babies in a 5 gl tank that I had, which was usually used for
either sick fish or new fish, I had no place to put them and put them in
with my guppies (yes I am aware that was a dumb move) it was a small
petstore and she did not take good care of the fish, some of the males were
nipping at the two pregnant females so I got a divider put males on one
side/ older babies and females on the other side and put one of those net
square things so the younger babies could be in the tank with out being
eaten, a few days after getting the new guppies I lost some, but they did
not look great to begin with, the following day I noticed white stuff on a
few of them, looked like cotton, I also noticed it on some of the babies,
they died fast, I took out the African dwarf frogs and treated with jungle
ick stuff, I still had some dying after treating mostly babies and older
babies, no adults, I seen cotton stuff on two of them and used a q-tip and
put hydrogen peroxide on it, they seemed to clear up fine and seem to be
fine now, but I am still losing babies at least one or two each day, and the
ones who died I have noticed that white stuff on them.
any suggestions would help, i think its a fungus
i have two ick meds one just for ick and the other says its for ick and
fungus, i have also read it might be Cytophaga?
Nikki
Does anyone know if African dwarf frogs can get fungus i dont think they get
ick

Nikki wrote:
I usually post on alt.aquaria.tropical.fish.hobbist, I had posted a problem
I was having and netmax said to post it here, and maybe someone could help.
I have had a lot going on in my tanks so I will try and make it short

Had guppy tank set up for a year, had only 2 African dwarf frogs, 1 male
/female guppy, the female was pregnant had babies three times since
Christmas, babies were all fine up had no problems with them, both guppies
were healthy
then because I needed to have more females I went to lfs which was closing
and they had 8 guppies left so I just got them, still ended up with more
males then females but anyway, I made a mistake since at that time I had
both sets of babies in a 5 gl tank that I had, which was usually used for
either sick fish or new fish, I had no place to put them and put them in
with my guppies (yes I am aware that was a dumb move) it was a small
petstore and she did not take good care of the fish, some of the males were
nipping at the two pregnant females so I got a divider put males on one
side/ older babies and females on the other side and put one of those net
square things so the younger babies could be in the tank with out being
eaten, a few days after getting the new guppies I lost some, but they did
not look great to begin with, the following day I noticed white stuff on a
few of them, looked like cotton, I also noticed it on some of the babies,
they died fast, I took out the African dwarf frogs and treated with jungle
ick stuff, I still had some dying after treating mostly babies and older
babies, no adults, I seen cotton stuff on two of them and used a q-tip and
put hydrogen peroxide on it, they seemed to clear up fine and seem to be
fine now, but I am still losing babies at least one or two each day, and the
ones who died I have noticed that white stuff on them.
any suggestions would help, i think its a fungus
i have two ick meds one just for ick and the other says its for ick and
fungus, i have also read it might be Cytophaga?
Nikki
Does anyone know if African dwarf frogs can get fungus i dont think they get
ick


We need a bit more information.

1) How large is the tank and what are all the fish?
2) How often to do you change water? How much?
3) Have you tested for ammonia, nitrate, nitrate, and the pH? What were
the results?
4) Why did you use an ich medicine on cottony growths? Ich is not fuzzy
at all. It looks like individual grains of salt. Use Google to search
for pictures if you're not sure what ich looks like.

Whatever it is, it sounds like the infection is under control. The
Q-tip with peroxide was a good choice. Dead fish can grow fungus very
rapidly depending on your tank conditions so don't worry about fuzzies
on anything that is dead. I wouldn't add any more medication unless
there is actually ich.

Baby guppies are very sensitive to water quality problems and
medications. I suspect the ich medicine stressed them (particularly if
it contains copper) and that your water quality isn't ideal. Put fresh
carbon in your filter to remove any traces of medicine and change 1/3 of
the water daily for the next week. Be sure to match temps so you don't
shock the babies.

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Nikki wrote:
I usually post on alt.aquaria.tropical.fish.hobbist, I had posted a problem

My bad. I meant "hobbyist" and f'ed up the group creation message with
a typo a long time ago. Sigh.


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Nikki wrote:

I usually post on alt.aquaria.tropical.fish.hobbist, I had posted a problem


My bad. I meant "hobbyist" and f'ed up the group creation message with
a typo a long time ago. Sigh.

At least you could create a new alt group and have it propagated back then.

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Altum wrote:
Richard Sexton wrote:

In article ,
Nikki wrote:

I usually post on alt.aquaria.tropical.fish.hobbist, I had posted a
problem



My bad. I meant "hobbyist" and f'ed up the group creation message with
a typo a long time ago. Sigh.

At least you could create a new alt group and have it propagated back then.

Scratch that. It's not on my normal newsserver.

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We need a bit more information.

1) How large is the tank and what are all the fish?

guppies/ ten gl with divider
5 males on one side / two pregnant females, five young guppies about 2
months old and 2 african dwarf frogs (got a divider because after i lost
some females the males would not stop nipping at the last two females, and i
dont want to add any females because of the problems going on)


2) How often to do you change water? How much?

20-30% about every week, also vaccume

3) Have you tested for ammonia, nitrate, nitrate, and the pH? What were
the results?

I took it to my LPS to have it checked three times, which she did i think
because she knew when she sold me the guppies they had ick, she was shuting
down her store and had some problems with her tanks, she did not look
suprised when i told her they had ick, anyway she said my water was fine.
Yes i am aware with fish tanks i should do that stuff my self, but i have
had a 75, 55, 29 gl set up for years and never once had problems with them,
never had sick fish, but they were big fish, i had 2 Black pacu's in one,
oscars in another, and in my 29 i have a gurami and a big goldfish (i know
they dont go well together but they have been together for almost two years)

4) Why did you use an ich medicine on cottony growths? Ich is not fuzzy
at all. It looks like individual grains of salt. Use Google to search
for pictures if you're not sure what ich looks like.

Yes i know what ick looks like, the new guppies i got from the petstore had
ick, after treating the first time i did not see it again, but i started to
see the cotton stuff after that, i did use the ick med again because it said
it was for ick, fungus, bacteria


Whatever it is, it sounds like the infection is under control. The Q-tip
with peroxide was a good choice. Dead fish can grow fungus very rapidly
depending on your tank conditions so don't worry about fuzzies on anything
that is dead. I wouldn't add any more medication unless there is actually
ich.

all the adults now look fine to me, however the young guppies i have still
noticed it on a few of them, and i have lost some fry that are about three
weeks but i did expect that since they are young


Baby guppies are very sensitive to water quality problems and medications.
I suspect the ich medicine stressed them (particularly if it contains
copper) and that your water quality isn't ideal. Put fresh carbon in your
filter to remove any traces of medicine and change 1/3 of the water daily
for the next week. Be sure to match temps so you don't shock the babies.

I am worried since some of the young guppies are still showing fungus the
adults may get it, does salt help for this i am wondering

thank you for your help
Nikki


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one more thing, i use bloodworms (fishfood) for my ADF does that cause any
problems with disease in the tank? i also feed that to my betta's
Nikki



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Nikki wrote:
I usually post on alt.aquaria.tropical.fish.hobbist, I had posted a
problem I was having and netmax said to post it here, and maybe someone
could help.
I have had a lot going on in my tanks so I will try and make it short

Had guppy tank set up for a year, had only 2 African dwarf frogs, 1 male
/female guppy, the female was pregnant had babies three times since
Christmas, babies were all fine up had no problems with them, both
guppies were healthy
then because I needed to have more females I went to lfs which was
closing and they had 8 guppies left so I just got them, still ended up
with more males then females but anyway, I made a mistake since at that
time I had both sets of babies in a 5 gl tank that I had, which was
usually used for either sick fish or new fish, I had no place to put them
and put them in with my guppies (yes I am aware that was a dumb move) it
was a small petstore and she did not take good care of the fish, some of
the males were nipping at the two pregnant females so I got a divider put
males on one side/ older babies and females on the other side and put one
of those net square things so the younger babies could be in the tank
with out being eaten, a few days after getting the new guppies I lost
some, but they did not look great to begin with, the following day I
noticed white stuff on a few of them, looked like cotton, I also noticed
it on some of the babies, they died fast, I took out the African dwarf
frogs and treated with jungle ick stuff, I still had some dying after
treating mostly babies and older babies, no adults, I seen cotton stuff
on two of them and used a q-tip and put hydrogen peroxide on it, they
seemed to clear up fine and seem to be fine now, but I am still losing
babies at least one or two each day, and the ones who died I have noticed
that white stuff on them.
any suggestions would help, i think its a fungus
i have two ick meds one just for ick and the other says its for ick and
fungus, i have also read it might be Cytophaga?
Nikki
Does anyone know if African dwarf frogs can get fungus i dont think they
get ick


We need a bit more information.

1) How large is the tank and what are all the fish?
2) How often to do you change water? How much?
3) Have you tested for ammonia, nitrate, nitrate, and the pH? What were
the results?
4) Why did you use an ich medicine on cottony growths? Ich is not fuzzy
at all. It looks like individual grains of salt. Use Google to search
for pictures if you're not sure what ich looks like.

Whatever it is, it sounds like the infection is under control. The Q-tip
with peroxide was a good choice. Dead fish can grow fungus very rapidly
depending on your tank conditions so don't worry about fuzzies on anything
that is dead. I wouldn't add any more medication unless there is actually
ich.

Baby guppies are very sensitive to water quality problems and medications.
I suspect the ich medicine stressed them (particularly if it contains
copper) and that your water quality isn't ideal. Put fresh carbon in your
filter to remove any traces of medicine and change 1/3 of the water daily
for the next week. Be sure to match temps so you don't shock the babies.

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Nikki wrote:
one more thing, i use bloodworms (fishfood) for my ADF does that cause any
problems with disease in the tank? i also feed that to my betta's
Nikki

Freeze dried are rarely a problem. Frozen ones can be a problem
depending on how well sterilized they are. They also foul the tank if
the're too old.

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Nikki wrote:

I am worried since some of the young guppies are still showing fungus the
adults may get it, does salt help for this i am wondering

Salt can help for fungus but I don't know whether ADF like it. You
might want to isolate the babies to keep the adults healthy, salt them,
and see what happens. As long as the adults stay healthy, there will be
plenty more babies!

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something i noticed was if i put them in at night (they are the ones you get
at the petstore in the fishfood container) they have fungus on them by
morning, and another thing that i have never seen before that i am seeing
now is even the flake food i feed the guppies has fungus on it, i dont feed
them a lot so there is not a lot of it but last night i feed them flakes and
i notices a couple flakes in the morning at the bottom and they had white
stuff on them, and before now i never seen that. i got it out with the net,
it was only like 2-9 pieces but that is strange i wonder if it has something
to do with the blood worms or the fungus from the fish...
Nikki





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Nikki wrote:
one more thing, i use bloodworms (fishfood) for my ADF does that cause
any problems with disease in the tank? i also feed that to my betta's
Nikki

Freeze dried are rarely a problem. Frozen ones can be a problem depending
on how well sterilized they are. They also foul the tank if the're too
old.

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