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Old March 29th 06, 11:52 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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I found the company's website - they sure do make a lot of claims for
the product, but give little clue as to what's in it.

http://www.eshalabs.com/esha2000.htm

There are 2 reviews from Practical Fishkeeping 1999, the first review
says it looks like a neat product and it was real easy to dose by
counting the drops and it colours the water green and we hope to find
out if it works. The second review is about eSHa for dropsy - we left
the fish untreated for a while, then we tried eSHa. The fish lived 6
weeks but died from we know not what. We hope to do a full treatment
according to directions some day and find out if it works.

Whew. And I though Melafix literature was vague.

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Old March 30th 06, 12:57 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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Mr. Gardener wrote:
I found the company's website - they sure do make a lot of claims for
the product, but give little clue as to what's in it.

http://www.eshalabs.com/esha2000.htm

There are 2 reviews from Practical Fishkeeping 1999, the first review
says it looks like a neat product and it was real easy to dose by
counting the drops and it colours the water green and we hope to find
out if it works. The second review is about eSHa for dropsy - we left
the fish untreated for a while, then we tried eSHa. The fish lived 6
weeks but died from we know not what. We hope to do a full treatment
according to directions some day and find out if it works.

Whew. And I though Melafix literature was vague.


I looked too. Vague is right! The green is most likely malachite
green. Anyone got a bottle with a UK or international patent number on it?

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Old March 30th 06, 05:22 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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"Mr. Gardener" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I found the company's website - they sure do make a lot of claims for
the product, but give little clue as to what's in it.

http://www.eshalabs.com/esha2000.htm

There are 2 reviews from Practical Fishkeeping 1999, the first review
says it looks like a neat product and it was real easy to dose by
counting the drops and it colours the water green and we hope to find
out if it works. The second review is about eSHa for dropsy - we left
the fish untreated for a while, then we tried eSHa. The fish lived 6
weeks but died from we know not what. We hope to do a full treatment
according to directions some day and find out if it works.

Whew. And I though Melafix literature was vague.

-- Mister Gardener


Hello,

Due to a German website, this product contains: (1) 6.3 mg Ethacridine
lactate, (2) 3.2 mg Copper ++, (3) 0.26 mg Methyl orange, (4) 1 mg
Proflavin. This means it is a multifunctiol product. Be careful if you have
certain plants because of (1), (2), or if you have snails, shrimps because
of (2).

Regards
Juergen



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Old March 30th 06, 06:40 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:22:02 +0200, Jürgen Beisser
wrote:
Due to a German website, this product contains: (1) 6.3 mg Ethacridine
lactate, (2) 3.2 mg Copper ++, (3) 0.26 mg Methyl orange, (4) 1 mg
Proflavin. This means it is a multifunctiol product. Be careful if you have
certain plants because of (1), (2), or if you have snails, shrimps because
of (2).

Regards
Juergen


Thanks!

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Old March 30th 06, 06:53 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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Jürgen Beisser wrote:
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Due to a German website, this product contains: (1) 6.3 mg Ethacridine
lactate, (2) 3.2 mg Copper ++, (3) 0.26 mg Methyl orange, (4) 1 mg
Proflavin. This means it is a multifunctiol product. Be careful if you
have certain plants because of (1), (2), or if you have snails, shrimps
because of (2).


Yeah - that should kill plants, inverts, and just about anything on the
surface of a fish. I wonder what the methyl orange is for?

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Old March 31st 06, 03:40 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:53:55 GMT, Altum wrote:
Due to a German website, this product contains: (1) 6.3 mg Ethacridine
lactate, (2) 3.2 mg Copper ++, (3) 0.26 mg Methyl orange, (4) 1 mg
Proflavin. This means it is a multifunctiol product. Be careful if you
have certain plants because of (1), (2), or if you have snails, shrimps
because of (2).


Yeah - that should kill plants, inverts, and just about anything on the
surface of a fish. I wonder what the methyl orange is for?


I really have a lot of praise for this product in that it has
helped my fish with all sorts - but it hasn't hurt my plants,
or (as far as I could tell) the filter - it says it won't -
or in fact my catfish / loaches (I split the daily dose in two
and gave half twice a day in that case).

I too would love to know what's in it, because it seems to be
all I need unless there is something specific (like eye fluke)
which needs specific treatment.

It is a sort of browny colour - almost blood red like iron.

I've scanned the leaflet, it's very crumpled (sorry!) but if
anyone is interested this is what it says in the packaging:
http://www.gorge.org/fish/esha2000.pdf

Hope that's some help?
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Old March 31st 06, 05:39 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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Flash Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:53:55 GMT, Altum wrote:

Due to a German website, this product contains: (1) 6.3 mg Ethacridine
lactate, (2) 3.2 mg Copper ++, (3) 0.26 mg Methyl orange, (4) 1 mg
Proflavin. This means it is a multifunctiol product. Be careful if you
have certain plants because of (1), (2), or if you have snails, shrimps
because of (2).


Yeah - that should kill plants, inverts, and just about anything on the
surface of a fish. I wonder what the methyl orange is for?



I really have a lot of praise for this product in that it has
helped my fish with all sorts - but it hasn't hurt my plants,
or (as far as I could tell) the filter - it says it won't -
or in fact my catfish / loaches (I split the daily dose in two
and gave half twice a day in that case).

I too would love to know what's in it, because it seems to be
all I need unless there is something specific (like eye fluke)
which needs specific treatment.

It is a sort of browny colour - almost blood red like iron.

I've scanned the leaflet, it's very crumpled (sorry!) but if
anyone is interested this is what it says in the packaging:
http://www.gorge.org/fish/esha2000.pdf

Hope that's some help?


It seems to claim to do almost everything from reading the
leaflet....I'm also curious as to what is in there...

Gill
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Old March 31st 06, 07:34 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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Gill Passman wrote:
Flash Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:53:55 GMT, Altum
wrote:

Jürgen Beisser wrote:
Due to a German website, this product contains: (1) 6.3 mg
Ethacridine lactate, (2) 3.2 mg Copper ++, (3) 0.26 mg Methyl
orange, (4) 1 mg Proflavin. This means it is a multifunctiol
product. Be careful if you have certain plants because of (1), (2),
or if you have snails, shrimps because of (2).


I too would love to know what's in it, because it seems to be
all I need unless there is something specific (like eye fluke)
which needs specific treatment.
It is a sort of browny colour - almost blood red like iron.

I've scanned the leaflet, it's very crumpled (sorry!) but if
anyone is interested this is what it says in the packaging:
http://www.gorge.org/fish/esha2000.pdf

Hope that's some help?


It seems to claim to do almost everything from reading the
leaflet....I'm also curious as to what is in there...


Since Jürgen already posted the ingredients, I assume you want more
explanation?

1) Ethacridine lactate, marked in the 1920s as Rivanol, is an
antibacterial acridine. It is sometimes used to treat shigella.
2) Proflavin is another acridine that is very closely related to
acriflavin. It's good for killing protozoans like velvet, gram positive
bacteria, and fungus.
3) Copper is also good for killing protozoans like ich and velvet.
Works best but is most toxic to fish in soft water.
4) Methyl orange, good for??? It's normally used as a pH indicator in
aquarium alkalinity test kits. I've never seen it mentioned as a fish
medicine.

This is an antibiotic-free "scattershot" medicine, and it is reasonable
to try it for anything in the leaflet. It will have the strongest
action against protozoans like velvet, tetrahymena, and possibly ich. I
assume by blocking NTD they mean that it kills free-swimming parasites.
It would not stop transmission from scavenging infected corpses. I
wouldn't expect much for dropsy - these compounds don't penetrate tissue
every well so they wouldn't get inside the fish.

TetraMedica General Tonic is a similar mixture of acridines with
methylene blue and no copper. If you don't like copper, it's a good choice.

As for plants, proflavin must be safer. Acriflavine (a mixture of
acriflavin and proflavin) kills them quite effectively. The methylene
blue in the Tetra medicine also kills plants, but it's a pretty good
antifungal and antibacterial.

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Old March 31st 06, 09:15 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:34:22 GMT, Altum
wrote:

Gill Passman wrote:
Flash Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:53:55 GMT, Altum
wrote:

Jürgen Beisser wrote:
Due to a German website, this product contains: (1) 6.3 mg
Ethacridine lactate, (2) 3.2 mg Copper ++, (3) 0.26 mg Methyl
orange, (4) 1 mg Proflavin. This means it is a multifunctiol
product. Be careful if you have certain plants because of (1), (2),
or if you have snails, shrimps because of (2).


I too would love to know what's in it, because it seems to be
all I need unless there is something specific (like eye fluke)
which needs specific treatment.
It is a sort of browny colour - almost blood red like iron.

I've scanned the leaflet, it's very crumpled (sorry!) but if
anyone is interested this is what it says in the packaging:
http://www.gorge.org/fish/esha2000.pdf

Hope that's some help?


It seems to claim to do almost everything from reading the
leaflet....I'm also curious as to what is in there...


Since Jürgen already posted the ingredients, I assume you want more
explanation?

1) Ethacridine lactate, marked in the 1920s as Rivanol, is an
antibacterial acridine. It is sometimes used to treat shigella.
2) Proflavin is another acridine that is very closely related to
acriflavin. It's good for killing protozoans like velvet, gram positive
bacteria, and fungus.
3) Copper is also good for killing protozoans like ich and velvet.
Works best but is most toxic to fish in soft water.
4) Methyl orange, good for??? It's normally used as a pH indicator in
aquarium alkalinity test kits. I've never seen it mentioned as a fish
medicine.

This is an antibiotic-free "scattershot" medicine, and it is reasonable
to try it for anything in the leaflet. It will have the strongest
action against protozoans like velvet, tetrahymena, and possibly ich. I
assume by blocking NTD they mean that it kills free-swimming parasites.
It would not stop transmission from scavenging infected corpses. I
wouldn't expect much for dropsy - these compounds don't penetrate tissue
every well so they wouldn't get inside the fish.

TetraMedica General Tonic is a similar mixture of acridines with
methylene blue and no copper. If you don't like copper, it's a good choice.

As for plants, proflavin must be safer. Acriflavine (a mixture of
acriflavin and proflavin) kills them quite effectively. The methylene
blue in the Tetra medicine also kills plants, but it's a pretty good
antifungal and antibacterial.


You would be disappointed if I didn't ask: Is it compatible with
Mela/Pimafix?

-- Mister Gardener
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Old March 31st 06, 10:02 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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Mister Gardener wrote:

You would be disappointed if I didn't ask: Is it compatible with
Mela/Pimafix?


Beats the heck outta me. I don't mix meds unless I can find a reliable
reference from a vet.

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