black moor died??

Guys, Have a question, I had posted the other day about my filter I needed
the extension tube, well I got one and it was the wrong size for my big
whisper, but fit my other filter I had in the closet that is much smaller
its for about a 30 gl tank, so I took the big whisper off and replaced it
with (cant think of name brand) just like a whisper but more rounded instead
of squared (same setup), I was worried about it not being strong enough to
keep the tank clean but figured I would use it until I found the extension
tube I needed, about ten minutes ago I found one of my black moor's stuck to
it, I pulled him off but it was to late.... : (
Now I am sitting here watching my red caps swim up to it as if they are
sniffing it, they are much smaller then the moor, so if by change it was to
strong they would get stuck quicker then the moor who was bigger then them.
One other thing I noticed for the last two days the black moor (I have three
so cant say for sure it was him) was down at the bottom corner a lot not
swimming with the other guys. But he was eating and other then that seemed
fine. Should I be worried about filters with these guys? is it likely he got
stuck because he was all ready sick? and should I be watching for something
since I don't know why he died? and now that I am worried about fish getting
stuck to the filter they have all decided to swim back and forth by the
filter...eww
In the tank I have
2 black moor telescope (had 3)
1 Ryukin
2 red caps
1 calico telescope
1 common goldfish
2 snails
In a 40 gl long (I think that is the size its only a few inch smaller then
my 55 gl)
NIk
Any idea if I should be concerned

"Nikki" wrote in message
. ..
Guys, Have a question, I had posted the other day about my filter I needed
the extension tube, well I got one and it was the wrong size for my big
whisper, but fit my other filter I had in the closet that is much smaller
its for about a 30 gl tank, so I took the big whisper off and replaced
it with (cant think of name brand) just like a whisper but more rounded
instead of squared (same setup), I was worried about it not being strong
enough to keep the tank clean but figured I would use it until I found the
extension tube I needed, about ten minutes ago I found one of my black
moor's stuck to it, I pulled him off but it was to late.... : (

Cover the ends of all intakes with SPONGES!!!!

Now I am sitting here watching my red caps swim up to it as if they are
sniffing it, they are much smaller then the moor, so if by change it was
to strong they would get stuck quicker then the moor who was bigger then
them.
One other thing I noticed for the last two days the black moor (I have
three so cant say for sure it was him) was down at the bottom corner a lot
not swimming with the other guys.

That's not a real good sign.

But he was eating and other then that seemed
fine. Should I be worried about filters with these guys? is it likely he
got stuck because he was all ready sick? and should I be watching for
something since I don't know why he died? and now that I am worried about
fish getting stuck to the filter they have all decided to swim back and
forth by the filter...eww

After losing fish in the past to filter intakes all mine are covered with a
sponge. I use AC sponges with a slit cut in the middle so I can pull them
over the intakes. This also keep larger crud from getting into the impeller
area.

In the tank I have
2 black moor telescope (had 3)
1 Ryukin
2 red caps
1 calico telescope
1 common goldfish
2 snails
In a 40 gl long (I think that is the size its only a few inch smaller then
my 55 gl)
NIk
Any idea if I should be concerned
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria Groups.*
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:23:44 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Nikki" wrote in message
...
Guys, Have a question, I had posted the other day about my filter I needed
the extension tube, well I got one and it was the wrong size for my big
whisper, but fit my other filter I had in the closet that is much smaller
its for about a 30 gl tank, so I took the big whisper off and replaced
it with (cant think of name brand) just like a whisper but more rounded
instead of squared (same setup), I was worried about it not being strong
enough to keep the tank clean but figured I would use it until I found the
extension tube I needed, about ten minutes ago I found one of my black
moor's stuck to it, I pulled him off but it was to late.... : (

If the replacement is smaller than the one you replaced, I doubt if it
was the cause of the moor's death. I doubt a larger filter would have
caused it either. More like the moor was severely weakened from
something else and just floated into the filter inlet. Filter inlet is
where we often find our dead fish. It would take a pretty strong
filter to suck in a healthy black moor.

Cover the ends of all intakes with SPONGES!!!!

This might slow down the moor drifting to the inlet, but it would end
up there eventually.

Now I am sitting here watching my red caps swim up to it as if they are
sniffing it, they are much smaller then the moor, so if by change it was
to strong they would get stuck quicker then the moor who was bigger then
them.
One other thing I noticed for the last two days the black moor (I have
three so cant say for sure it was him) was down at the bottom corner a lot
not swimming with the other guys.

You are answering your own questions. He may have been afixin' to die
for a couple of days.

That's not a real good sign.

But he was eating and other then that seemed
fine. Should I be worried about filters with these guys? is it likely he
got stuck because he was all ready sick? and should I be watching for
something since I don't know why he died? and now that I am worried about
fish getting stuck to the filter they have all decided to swim back and
forth by the filter...eww

No you shouldn't be worried about filters with your fish.
Yes, you need to be watching all of your fish. And testing your water.
I've never covered a filter inlet with a sponge unless I was dealing
with new fry. Healthy adult fish don't get sucked into filters. If
they did, filter engineers would be out of work.

Did you get that water test kit yet?

-- Mister Gardener

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:45:12 -0400, Mister Gardener
wrote:

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:23:44 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Nikki" wrote in message
m...
Guys, Have a question, I had posted the other day about my filter I needed
the extension tube, well I got one and it was the wrong size for my big
whisper, but fit my other filter I had in the closet that is much smaller
its for about a 30 gl tank, so I took the big whisper off and replaced
it with (cant think of name brand) just like a whisper but more rounded
instead of squared (same setup), I was worried about it not being strong
enough to keep the tank clean but figured I would use it until I found the
extension tube I needed, about ten minutes ago I found one of my black
moor's stuck to it, I pulled him off but it was to late.... : (

If the replacement is smaller than the one you replaced, I doubt if it
was the cause of the moor's death. I doubt a larger filter would have
caused it either. More like the moor was severely weakened from
something else and just floated into the filter inlet. Filter inlet is
where we often find our dead fish. It would take a pretty strong
filter to suck in a healthy black moor.

Cover the ends of all intakes with SPONGES!!!!

This might slow down the moor drifting to the inlet, but it would end
up there eventually.

Now I am sitting here watching my red caps swim up to it as if they are
sniffing it, they are much smaller then the moor, so if by change it was
to strong they would get stuck quicker then the moor who was bigger then
them.
One other thing I noticed for the last two days the black moor (I have
three so cant say for sure it was him) was down at the bottom corner a lot
not swimming with the other guys.

You are answering your own questions. He may have been afixin' to die
for a couple of days.

That's not a real good sign.

But he was eating and other then that seemed
fine. Should I be worried about filters with these guys? is it likely he
got stuck because he was all ready sick? and should I be watching for
something since I don't know why he died? and now that I am worried about
fish getting stuck to the filter they have all decided to swim back and
forth by the filter...eww

No you shouldn't be worried about filters with your fish.
Yes, you need to be watching all of your fish. And testing your water.
I've never covered a filter inlet with a sponge unless I was dealing
with new fry. Healthy adult fish don't get sucked into filters. If
they did, filter engineers would be out of work.

Did you get that water test kit yet?

-- Mister Gardener

Take it from me. I'm the guy that's been peeling dead angelfish off my
filter intake for the past 24 hours because of an important water
measurement that I took for granted.

-- Mister Gardener

"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:23:44 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Nikki" wrote in message
m...
Guys, Have a question, I had posted the other day about my filter I
needed
the extension tube, well I got one and it was the wrong size for my big
whisper, but fit my other filter I had in the closet that is much
smaller
its for about a 30 gl tank, so I took the big whisper off and replaced
it with (cant think of name brand) just like a whisper but more rounded
instead of squared (same setup), I was worried about it not being strong
enough to keep the tank clean but figured I would use it until I found
the
extension tube I needed, about ten minutes ago I found one of my black
moor's stuck to it, I pulled him off but it was to late.... : (

If the replacement is smaller than the one you replaced, I doubt if it
was the cause of the moor's death. I doubt a larger filter would have
caused it either. More like the moor was severely weakened from
something else and just floated into the filter inlet. Filter inlet is
where we often find our dead fish. It would take a pretty strong
filter to suck in a healthy black moor.

Cover the ends of all intakes with SPONGES!!!!

This might slow down the moor drifting to the inlet, but it would end
up there eventually.

Now I am sitting here watching my red caps swim up to it as if they are
sniffing it, they are much smaller then the moor, so if by change it was
to strong they would get stuck quicker then the moor who was bigger then
them.
One other thing I noticed for the last two days the black moor (I have
three so cant say for sure it was him) was down at the bottom corner a
lot
not swimming with the other guys.

You are answering your own questions. He may have been afixin' to die
for a couple of days.

That's not a real good sign.

But he was eating and other then that seemed
fine. Should I be worried about filters with these guys? is it likely he
got stuck because he was all ready sick? and should I be watching for
something since I don't know why he died? and now that I am worried
about
fish getting stuck to the filter they have all decided to swim back and
forth by the filter...eww

No you shouldn't be worried about filters with your fish.
Yes, you need to be watching all of your fish. And testing your water.
I've never covered a filter inlet with a sponge unless I was dealing
with new fry. Healthy adult fish don't get sucked into filters. If
they did, filter engineers would be out of work.

Did you get that water test kit yet?

-- Mister Gardener


No its sunday....all my local stores are closed. However i did check the
ammonia again and the thing did not turn yellow, as a matter a fact it was
not even tinted yellow.. which i thought it should be a little, and I sent a
sample of their water to my next door neighbors house after the moor died i
think she said she uses those dip stick tests but said they all looked
normal according to the chart on the box.
best i can do till tomorrow...I been watching all the others and they seem
fine, i feed them and watched to make sure they were eating and they were
all being pigs as normal, I inspected the dead moor and did not see nothing
that stood out to me as being wrong, i thought his belly was a little bigger
then it should be but its hard to tell with them.
The filter should be fine i have seen a couple go over when a piece of food
was on it and eat the food that was stuck.
I guess i will just watch them close but i guess the only thing i can watch
for is them not to be swimming around a lot.
Nik

"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
...
.. Healthy adult fish don't get sucked into filters. If
they did, filter engineers would be out of work.
================
I disagree. I lost a beautiful $8 male guppy to an intake on an AC. I have
a betta here with most of it's tail gone that I found stuck to an AC
mini-filter intake when he was young. The sponge was old and fell off the
intake. If he was on his way out he's taking a long time to go.......

I do agree once they bid the earth farewell they usually end up on the
intake if it's not covered.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria Groups.*
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:20:17 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mister Gardener" wrote in message
.. .
. Healthy adult fish don't get sucked into filters. If
they did, filter engineers would be out of work.
================
I disagree. I lost a beautiful $8 male guppy to an intake on an AC. I have
a betta here with most of it's tail gone that I found stuck to an AC
mini-filter intake when he was young. The sponge was old and fell off the
intake. If he was on his way out he's taking a long time to go.......

I do agree once they bid the earth farewell they usually end up on the
intake if it's not covered.

Then let us agree to disagree. I think the answer may lie somewhere
between our differences.

-- Mister Gardener