Opinion on which sump to get????

I'm looking at combining my 29 gallon and 46 gallon fish/reef tanks into a
75 gallon fish/reef tank. I saw these two sumps but can't decide which
would be better for the 75 gallon tank:

http://www.petsolutions.com/Small+Pr...076024-I-.aspx

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1


One is a Pro-Clear mud sump and the other is a Megaflow sump filter. Any
opinions on which way to go??

Thanks,
Susan

Those are wet dry filters, and unless you are going with
big eaters, you are better off with a sump instead of a
wet dry filter. People have come up with a variety of sump
designs with glued in baffles and such, but my suggestion
is to use a regular fish tank and don't drill or glue in
any thing. Then it is completely versital, and can even be
used later as an aquarium. I like using live rock rubble
for filtering out the bubbles.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 4:39 PM:
I'm looking at combining my 29 gallon and 46 gallon fish/reef tanks into a
75 gallon fish/reef tank. I saw these two sumps but can't decide which
would be better for the 75 gallon tank:

http://www.petsolutions.com/Small+Pr...076024-I-.aspx

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1


One is a Pro-Clear mud sump and the other is a Megaflow sump filter. Any
opinions on which way to go??

Thanks,
Susan

Thanks Wayne. Are nitrates the problem using one of these type filters?

Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Those are wet dry filters, and unless you are going with big eaters, you
are better off with a sump instead of a wet dry filter. People have come
up with a variety of sump designs with glued in baffles and such, but my
suggestion is to use a regular fish tank and don't drill or glue in any
thing. Then it is completely versital, and can even be used later as an
aquarium. I like using live rock rubble for filtering out the bubbles.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 4:39 PM:
I'm looking at combining my 29 gallon and 46 gallon fish/reef tanks into
a 75 gallon fish/reef tank. I saw these two sumps but can't decide which
would be better for the 75 gallon tank:

http://www.petsolutions.com/Small+Pr...076024-I-.aspx

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1


One is a Pro-Clear mud sump and the other is a Megaflow sump filter. Any
opinions on which way to go??

Thanks,
Susan

Yep. What happens is that it is so efficient that it out
competes the bacteria on the outside of the rock and sand,
so that denitrification dos not take place as well inside
of the rock and sand.

PS don't mention to Stoutman that I mentioned the word
"denitrification" heheheheh :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 5:57 PM:
Thanks Wayne. Are nitrates the problem using one of these type filters?

Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Those are wet dry filters, and unless you are going with big eaters, you
are better off with a sump instead of a wet dry filter. People have come
up with a variety of sump designs with glued in baffles and such, but my
suggestion is to use a regular fish tank and don't drill or glue in any
thing. Then it is completely versital, and can even be used later as an
aquarium. I like using live rock rubble for filtering out the bubbles.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 4:39 PM:
I'm looking at combining my 29 gallon and 46 gallon fish/reef tanks into
a 75 gallon fish/reef tank. I saw these two sumps but can't decide which
would be better for the 75 gallon tank:

http://www.petsolutions.com/Small+Pr...076024-I-.aspx

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1


One is a Pro-Clear mud sump and the other is a Megaflow sump filter. Any
opinions on which way to go??

Thanks,
Susan

Wayne Sallee wrote:
Yep. What happens is that it is so efficient that it out competes the
bacteria on the outside of the rock and sand, so that denitrification
dos not take place as well inside of the rock and sand.

Right, but isn't there other bacteria in the live rock and sand that eat nitrates?

Don't get me wrong, I do *not* think you should buy a wet/dry when you have
enough live rock to do the job, but don't see why someone who already has a
wet/dry filter should get rid of it.

George Patterson
All successes in conservation are temporary. All defeats are permanent.

But you need the bacteria on the outside taking up oxygen
so that the bacteria in the rock have a low oxygen
environment to do the denitrification. You can't have a
low oxygen environment if you don't have the aerobic
bacteria consuming the oxygen.


Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



George Patterson wrote on 9/18/2006 6:31 PM:
Wayne Sallee wrote:
Yep. What happens is that it is so efficient that it out competes the
bacteria on the outside of the rock and sand, so that denitrification
dos not take place as well inside of the rock and sand.

Right, but isn't there other bacteria in the live rock and sand that eat
nitrates?

Don't get me wrong, I do *not* think you should buy a wet/dry when you
have enough live rock to do the job, but don't see why someone who
already has a wet/dry filter should get rid of it.

George Patterson
All successes in conservation are temporary. All defeats are
permanent.

George. I will put it easier terms for you so you understand. The aerobic
bacteria EAT the oxygen.

For aerobic bacteria oxygen is GOOD
For anaerobic bacteria oxygen is BAD

Do you think the Pro Clear mud sump would be any better? I know it still
has bio-balls but I liked the idea of having a "refugium" in it for macro
algae etc..

Thanks,
Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Yep. What happens is that it is so efficient that it out competes the
bacteria on the outside of the rock and sand, so that denitrification dos
not take place as well inside of the rock and sand.

PS don't mention to Stoutman that I mentioned the word "denitrification"
heheheheh :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 5:57 PM:
Thanks Wayne. Are nitrates the problem using one of these type filters?

Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Those are wet dry filters, and unless you are going with big eaters, you
are better off with a sump instead of a wet dry filter. People have come
up with a variety of sump designs with glued in baffles and such, but my
suggestion is to use a regular fish tank and don't drill or glue in any
thing. Then it is completely versital, and can even be used later as an
aquarium. I like using live rock rubble for filtering out the bubbles.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 4:39 PM:
I'm looking at combining my 29 gallon and 46 gallon fish/reef tanks
into a 75 gallon fish/reef tank. I saw these two sumps but can't
decide which would be better for the 75 gallon tank:

http://www.petsolutions.com/Small+Pr...076024-I-.aspx

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1


One is a Pro-Clear mud sump and the other is a Megaflow sump filter.
Any opinions on which way to go??

Thanks,
Susan

"Susan" wrote in
:

Do you think the Pro Clear mud sump would be any better? I know it
still has bio-balls but I liked the idea of having a "refugium" in it
for macro algae etc..

Thanks,
Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Yep. What happens is that it is so efficient that it out competes the
bacteria on the outside of the rock and sand, so that denitrification
dos not take place as well inside of the rock and sand.

PS don't mention to Stoutman that I mentioned the word
"denitrification" heheheheh :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 5:57 PM:
Thanks Wayne. Are nitrates the problem using one of these type
filters?

Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Those are wet dry filters, and unless you are going with big
eaters, you are better off with a sump instead of a wet dry filter.
People have come up with a variety of sump designs with glued in
baffles and such, but my suggestion is to use a regular fish tank
and don't drill or glue in any thing. Then it is completely
versital, and can even be used later as an aquarium. I like using
live rock rubble for filtering out the bubbles.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 4:39 PM:
I'm looking at combining my 29 gallon and 46 gallon fish/reef
tanks into a 75 gallon fish/reef tank. I saw these two sumps but
can't decide which would be better for the 75 gallon tank:

http://www.petsolutions.com/Small+Pr...-I-85076024-I-.
aspx

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...m?pcatid=13648
&Ntt=sump&Ntk=All&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Np=1&N= 2004&Nty=1


One is a Pro-Clear mud sump and the other is a Megaflow sump
filter. Any opinions on which way to go??

Thanks,
Susan




You can easily make a partitioned sump out of one of your tanks if you
like. I just had the local hardware store cut some window glass to the
right size and siliconed it into place. Works great and saves money.


Mark

Why buy something that is designed with parts that will
get in your way, when you can buy something versitile and
easily ad what you need?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 9:04 PM:
Do you think the Pro Clear mud sump would be any better? I know it still
has bio-balls but I liked the idea of having a "refugium" in it for macro
algae etc..

Thanks,
Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Yep. What happens is that it is so efficient that it out competes the
bacteria on the outside of the rock and sand, so that denitrification dos
not take place as well inside of the rock and sand.

PS don't mention to Stoutman that I mentioned the word "denitrification"
heheheheh :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 5:57 PM:
Thanks Wayne. Are nitrates the problem using one of these type filters?

Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Those are wet dry filters, and unless you are going with big eaters, you
are better off with a sump instead of a wet dry filter. People have come
up with a variety of sump designs with glued in baffles and such, but my
suggestion is to use a regular fish tank and don't drill or glue in any
thing. Then it is completely versital, and can even be used later as an
aquarium. I like using live rock rubble for filtering out the bubbles.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Susan wrote on 9/18/2006 4:39 PM:
I'm looking at combining my 29 gallon and 46 gallon fish/reef tanks
into a 75 gallon fish/reef tank. I saw these two sumps but can't
decide which would be better for the 75 gallon tank:

http://www.petsolutions.com/Small+Pr...076024-I-.aspx

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1


One is a Pro-Clear mud sump and the other is a Megaflow sump filter.
Any opinions on which way to go??

Thanks,
Susan