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Old May 17th 07, 03:19 AM posted to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
Peter Pan
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I know this is a dumb question but here is goes: Does oxygenated water
reduce Nitrates?


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Old May 17th 07, 02:51 PM posted to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
Wayne Sallee
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No oxygen does not reduce nitrates.

However on a similar note, ammonia degases fairly
well, so aeration will degas ammonia, thus less
ammonia to be converted into nitrates. In fact there
are degassing towers that are sometimes used in the
industry to degas ammonia, in fact that is one of
the advantages of a wet dry filter, it helps degas
ammonia, though I don't recommend a wet dry filter
for reef tank.

Denitrification (low oxygen) reduces nitrates.

Wayne Sallee
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Peter Pan wrote on 5/16/2007 9:19 PM:
I know this is a dumb question but here is goes: Does oxygenated water
reduce Nitrates?


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Old May 17th 07, 10:14 PM posted to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
Peter Pan
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Denitrification (low oxygen) reduces nitrates.


Thanks Wayne, can you explain Denitrification for me? Does this mean
adding macro algea?
The end result is I would like to reduce my nitrates. I keep them under
15pmm via 1/3 water changes each month. I was hoping there was a way I
could do even less and get the same results


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Old May 18th 07, 12:01 AM posted to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
KurtG
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Peter Pan wrote:
Denitrification (low oxygen) reduces nitrates.


Thanks Wayne, can you explain Denitrification for me? Does this mean
adding macro algea?
The end result is I would like to reduce my nitrates. I keep them under
15pmm via 1/3 water changes each month. I was hoping there was a way I
could do even less and get the same results



Read up on the nitrogen cycle:
http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html

Denitrification occurs with bacteria in the absence of oxygen. Oxygen
starved bacteria pull the oxygen off of nitrate and release nitrogen gas
which out-gases from the water. This bacteria lives in deep sand beds
and in crevices of live rock.

--Kurt
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Old May 18th 07, 12:08 AM posted to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
Wayne Sallee
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You should own at least one good book on reef
keeping. Any book on reef keeping will explain
denitrification.

Basically it is bacteria in low oxygen environments
like down in the sand, and deep in the live rock.
The oxygen is very low there, and so the bacteria
takes oxygen from nitrates, and converts it to
nitrites, and then converts the nitrites into
nitrogen gas.

Wayne Sallee
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Peter Pan wrote on 5/17/2007 4:14 PM:
Denitrification (low oxygen) reduces nitrates.


Thanks Wayne, can you explain Denitrification for me? Does this mean
adding macro algea?
The end result is I would like to reduce my nitrates. I keep them under
15pmm via 1/3 water changes each month. I was hoping there was a way I
could do even less and get the same results


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Old May 18th 07, 01:32 AM posted to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
Peter Pan
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Chemistry was never my strong suit, thats why I needed someone to break it
down for me. In other words I have no clue as to what you just wrote
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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You should own at least one good book on reef keeping. Any book on reef
keeping will explain denitrification.

Basically it is bacteria in low oxygen environments like down in the sand,
and deep in the live rock. The oxygen is very low there, and so the
bacteria takes oxygen from nitrates, and converts it to nitrites, and then
converts the nitrites into nitrogen gas.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Peter Pan wrote on 5/17/2007 4:14 PM:
Denitrification (low oxygen) reduces nitrates.


Thanks Wayne, can you explain Denitrification for me? Does this mean
adding macro algea?
The end result is I would like to reduce my nitrates. I keep them under
15pmm via 1/3 water changes each month. I was hoping there was a way I
could do even less and get the same results



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Old May 18th 07, 02:44 AM posted to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
Pondmeister
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Well if its a dumb question then it ought to be right up Waynes and
Pszemols alley......



On Thu, 17 May 2007 17:14:59 -0400, "Peter Pan"
wrote:


Denitrification (low oxygen) reduces nitrates.

Thanks Wayne, can you explain Denitrification for me? Does this mean
adding macro algea?
The end result is I would like to reduce my nitrates. I keep them under
15pmm via 1/3 water changes each month. I was hoping there was a way I
could do even less and get the same results




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Old May 18th 07, 09:13 PM posted to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
Peter Pan
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Wayne,
I understand that this is the chemical breakdown, at least I understand it
to a point, but I still dont know is there anything I need to do or was this
a simple chemistry lesson.

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Ok,

Nitrate NO3

Nitrite NO2

Nitrogen N2

Bacteria in a low oxygen environment takes oxygen away from NO3 making it
NO2, and then bacteria takes oxygen from NO2, making it N2.

Wayne Sallee
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Peter Pan wrote on 5/17/2007 7:32 PM:
Chemistry was never my strong suit, thats why I needed someone to break
it down for me. In other words I have no clue as to what you just wrote
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
link.net...
You should own at least one good book on reef keeping. Any book on reef
keeping will explain denitrification.

Basically it is bacteria in low oxygen environments like down in the
sand, and deep in the live rock. The oxygen is very low there, and so
the bacteria takes oxygen from nitrates, and converts it to nitrites,
and then converts the nitrites into nitrogen gas.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Peter Pan wrote on 5/17/2007 4:14 PM:
Denitrification (low oxygen) reduces nitrates.
Thanks Wayne, can you explain Denitrification for me? Does this mean
adding macro algea?
The end result is I would like to reduce my nitrates. I keep them
under 15pmm via 1/3 water changes each month. I was hoping there was a
way I could do even less and get the same results



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Old May 19th 07, 02:34 AM posted to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs
George Patterson
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Peter Pan wrote:

I understand that this is the chemical breakdown, at least I understand it
to a point, but I still dont know is there anything I need to do or was this
a simple chemistry lesson.


What *you* have to do is provide the low-oxygen environment that is conducive to
the growth of this type of bacteria. A good quantity of live rock and sufficient
water flow is one environment. A deep sand bed under the right circumstances is
another. The so-called "nitrate reactor" is another. Be aware that this type of
bacteria will take months to become established. The live rock route is favorite
because, with any luck, there will be a small starter colony of bacteria in the
rock.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.
 




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