Flipover-ed Oranda?

Hello...

I've got two small-medium goldfish in a 25 gallon tank (ranchu and oranda,
Aquaclear 200 filter, one apple snail that stays out the of the way, water
heated to be in high 70s, tank set up for almost two years). The fish are
usually fed sinking Hikari pellets, but de-shelled peas and "standard"
flakes are also thrown in (figuratively and literally). My black/gold oranda
has what I suspect to be flip-over disease as his symptoms (spending the
vast part of his day completely inverted, but not necessarily at the top of
the water... and he somersaults right way round for feeding or various other
moments) match what koivet has to say. I've tried the
two-day-fasting-then-a-pea thing and I hand-feed food under water to try and
prevent swim bladder problems, so I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong.
He does have what I think is an abnormaly huge wen, but I'm not even
remotely close to being an expert in that matter (besides, that shouldn't
matter, right?).

In any case, Koivet suggests surgery or injections, neither of which are
likely.
Thus, if it IS flipover:

(a) is there anything I can do for him?
(b) and more importantly, what are the chances the poor guy's in pain?

Thanks in advance for any help or opinions...

Erik

Try soaking all his food in a little tank water for a few minutes before
feeding . This should reduce the air he absorbs slightly. It wouldn't hurt
to try the pea thing again either. I usually fast for 3 days then feed peas
for a week and it seems to work in mild cases. I have also used a medication
made by Interpet for swimbladder problems which worked in quite a bad case
once so that might be worth a try.
Mel.

"Erik Missio" wrote in message
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Hello...

I've got two small-medium goldfish in a 25 gallon tank (ranchu and oranda,
Aquaclear 200 filter, one apple snail that stays out the of the way, water
heated to be in high 70s, tank set up for almost two years). The fish are
usually fed sinking Hikari pellets, but de-shelled peas and "standard"
flakes are also thrown in (figuratively and literally). My black/gold
oranda
has what I suspect to be flip-over disease as his symptoms (spending the
vast part of his day completely inverted, but not necessarily at the top
of
the water... and he somersaults right way round for feeding or various
other
moments) match what koivet has to say. I've tried the
two-day-fasting-then-a-pea thing and I hand-feed food under water to try
and
prevent swim bladder problems, so I'm not sure if I'm doing something
wrong.
He does have what I think is an abnormaly huge wen, but I'm not even
remotely close to being an expert in that matter (besides, that shouldn't
matter, right?).

In any case, Koivet suggests surgery or injections, neither of which are
likely.
Thus, if it IS flipover:

(a) is there anything I can do for him?
(b) and more importantly, what are the chances the poor guy's in pain?

Thanks in advance for any help or opinions...

Erik

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"Erik Missio" wrote:

Hello...

I've got two small-medium goldfish in a 25 gallon tank (ranchu and oranda,
Aquaclear 200 filter, one apple snail that stays out the of the way, water
heated to be in high 70s, tank set up for almost two years). The fish are
usually fed sinking Hikari pellets, but de-shelled peas and "standard"
flakes are also thrown in (figuratively and literally). My black/gold oranda
has what I suspect to be flip-over disease as his symptoms (spending the
vast part of his day completely inverted, but not necessarily at the top of
the water... and he somersaults right way round for feeding or various other
moments) match what koivet has to say. I've tried the
two-day-fasting-then-a-pea thing and I hand-feed food under water to try and
prevent swim bladder problems, so I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong.
He does have what I think is an abnormaly huge wen, but I'm not even
remotely close to being an expert in that matter (besides, that shouldn't
matter, right?).

In any case, Koivet suggests surgery or injections, neither of which are
likely.
Thus, if it IS flipover:

(a) is there anything I can do for him?
(b) and more importantly, what are the chances the poor guy's in pain?

Thanks in advance for any help or opinions...

Erik




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