Regarding Koi-Lo's "info" = )~

Tynk wrote:
For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
know the difference.


Carolyn Adamo Gulley is a known liar. She pretends expertise. This has
been discussed before. Hop over to rec.ponds to see all her garbage
there.

A HUGE sorry to the regs that have already killfile'd their posts and
see a million by me correcting the "info" this person is dishing out.
There's enough bogus and downright BAD info out there on these fish
that are very special to me....as much as Angelfish are, and I cannot
just ignore it.

Zod wrote:
Tynk wrote:
For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
know the difference.


Carolyn Adamo Gulley is a known liar. She pretends expertise. This has
been discussed before. Hop over to rec.ponds to see all her garbage
there.

A HUGE sorry to the regs that have already killfile'd their posts and
see a million by me correcting the "info" this person is dishing out.
There's enough bogus and downright BAD info out there on these fish
that are very special to me....as much as Angelfish are, and I cannot
just ignore it.

Thanks Zod.
I was warned about this person. This was why I created this post and
saying sorry to the other regs here who may see a million of my posts
correcting her bad and bogus "info" when it comes to these fish. I fear
a newbie may take their "advice" and house a beautiful Betta in a tiny
glass bowl they think is fine to do.
Sheesh! Simply because a fish will survive horrible conditions doens't
make it fine, or that they thrive.
The simple fact that they say ALL their Bettas live to 4 yrs of age is
hillarious.
Being a breeder and hobbyist, I keep all my "pet" Bettas in the best
possible conditions that they can ever have and sure, many live 4, 5,
and a few well over 6 yrs of age. However, the average is 2-3 yrs. It's
rediculous to claim that ALL of their Bettas lived for 4 yrs. Anyone
who breeds them, or has gotten them from a breeder and knows their
birthdates, had them till the day they die knows the true average of a
Bettas lifespan.
They also seem to think I *don't* try and do anything about the
horrible conditions they are kept in at local shops and chains stores.
Let me tell you, I sure do!! I print out care sheets, I stand there
until somebody comes to clean filthy containers. I explain to every
employee that the locals shops get in about their proper care, and
where to research it etc.
I spend hours every week onthe puter doing the same.
It wasn't like this nearly 30 yrs ago. Sure they may have been kept in
smaller bowls (Not in the local shops I went to as a child, the males
were in the tanks), but they were treated like any other tropical fish,
except that you couldn't house 2 males together.
No body kept them in tiny little bowls.
I write to companies that sell these tiny Betta tanks, bowls, jars,
vases, etc and explain the proper care. Of course money wins every time
and what do they care about the fish...they care about the all mighty
dollar.
When I sell my Betta stock I ask the person how they plan on housing
the fish.
If they say anything smaller than a gallon, I won't sell to them.
The mass bred fish farmers don't give a crap, and just want the cash.
That's the reason why veils are so sickly now a days. Way too much
inbreeding and mass breeding to keep the lines healthy.
The veils of present couldn't hold a candle to the veils of the past.
Now the mass breeders are trashing the Crowntails and Deltas soon too.
The spindly looking Crowntails out there are proof of what mass
breeding is doing to these fish.
People who don't know any better (or don't care), house them in poor
conditions, they die off quickly, they buy another to replace it.
That's why the shops buy and sell so many each week.
It's really quite sad.

"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
Thanks Zod.
I was warned about this person.

$$ Warned that I keep bettas in less than 2 gallon heated and filtered
tanks? That's never been a secret. LOL!!!

This was why I created this post and
saying sorry to the other regs here who may see a million of my posts
correcting her bad and bogus "info" when it comes to these fish.

$$ The information is not BOGUS as millions of bettas are kept in less than
2 gallon heated and filtered tanks.

I fear
a newbie may take their "advice" and house a beautiful Betta in a tiny
glass bowl they think is fine to do.

$$ A tiny glass bowl?

Sheesh! Simply because a fish will survive horrible conditions doens't
make it fine, or that they thrive.

$$ Sheesh! Millions of them thrive in other than 2 gallon heated and
filtered tanks.

The simple fact that they say ALL their Bettas live to 4 yrs of age is
hillarious.

$$ Hahahahaha!!!! It is hilarious! :-D Mine do! I seldom lose one
unless I leave then in someone else's care. You need to breed a hardier
strain of bettas. Maybe you're inbreeding them too closely.

Being a breeder and hobbyist, I keep all my "pet" Bettas in the best
possible conditions that they can ever have and sure, many live 4, 5,
and a few well over 6 yrs of age. However, the average is 2-3 yrs.

$$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2. What
next - yours live 8 to 10 years?

It's
rediculous to claim that ALL of their Bettas lived for 4 yrs.

$$ It's ridiculous to claim you know how long someone else's fish live.
Yes, a healthy betta lives for 4 years in these unheated unfiltered "bowls"
or large jars. Why does that bother you so much? I'm starting to think
you own stock in a fishtank, filter or heater company -or maybe you have
stock in a chain pet-shop :-) When I see you fighting for the better
treatment of these fish in the stores that sell them to people, along with a
tiny 8 oz. ivy bowl they're also sold to keep them in, I will know you are
sincere. Until then........ it's all so much hot air!

Snip same old rant.....

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
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Not taking your bait anymore.
You are wasting space here Koi-Lo.

"Tynk" wrote in message
ups.com...
Not taking your bait anymore.
You are wasting space here Koi-Lo.
===========================
Ditto! You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for days
now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited, that I put
them up just to bait you,.... a total stranger. I don't know what your
motive is but I have a good idea. Again, try and have a happy holiday.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
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http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
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Koi-lo wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
ups.com...
Not taking your bait anymore.
You are wasting space here Koi-Lo.
===========================
Ditto! You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for days
now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited, that I put
them up just to bait you,.... a total stranger. I don't know what your
motive is but I have a good idea. Again, try and have a happy holiday.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o
You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for days
now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited
I HAVE seen the pictures and it's PROOF that you are housing them in
tiny Ivy bowls.
That is UNSUITABLE for housing Bettas!
In your pictures that boast about, it clearly shows things around them
for size comparison.
They are much too tiny to house Bettas in. It's cruel.
And damned right I'm ragging at you for it because you seem to think
it's all fine and dandy. It simply is not right.
You wouldn't house a Koi, fully grown in a 20g tank would you?
Same difference. Yet you think it's perfectly fine to do it to Bettas.
Why on earth would you take proper care of only some of your animals?
Once again, Ivy bowls are MUCH too small.

Koi-lo wrote:

"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...

Thanks Zod.
I was warned about this person.


$$ Warned that I keep bettas in less than 2 gallon heated and filtered
tanks? That's never been a secret. LOL!!!


Warned that you are a pathological liar

This was why I created this post and

saying sorry to the other regs here who may see a million of my posts
correcting her bad and bogus "info" when it comes to these fish.


$$ The information is not BOGUS as millions of bettas are kept in less
than 2 gallon heated and filtered tanks.


Now ask her for the evidence, and she will go gaga on you.


I fear

a newbie may take their "advice" and house a beautiful Betta in a tiny
glass bowl they think is fine to do.


$$ A tiny glass bowl?

Sheesh! Simply because a fish will survive horrible conditions doens't
make it fine, or that they thrive.



$$ Sheesh! Millions of them thrive in other than 2 gallon heated and
filtered tanks.

Now ask her for the evidence, and she will go gaga on you.



The simple fact that they say ALL their Bettas live to 4 yrs of age is
hillarious.


$$ Hahahahaha!!!! It is hilarious! :-D Mine do! I seldom lose one
unless I leave then in someone else's care. You need to breed a hardier
strain of bettas. Maybe you're inbreeding them too closely.

Now ask her for the evidence, and she will go gaga on you.



Being a breeder and hobbyist, I keep all my "pet" Bettas in the best
possible conditions that they can ever have and sure, many live 4, 5,
and a few well over 6 yrs of age. However, the average is 2-3 yrs.


$$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?

It's

rediculous to claim that ALL of their Bettas lived for 4 yrs.


$$ It's ridiculous to claim you know how long someone else's fish live.

Remeber Carol fish are special. They are made out of plastic and you
wind them up. The never die.

"Koi-lo" wrote in message
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$$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?

Scientific Name: Betta Splendens
Other Names: Betta Family: Belontiidae
Origin: Cambodia, Thailand
Adult Size: 3 inches (7 cm)
Social: Males cannot be kept together
Lifespan: 2-3 years ******************
Tank Level: Top dweller
Minimum Tank Size: 3 gallon
Diet: Live foods preferable, will eat flakes and frozen foods
Breeding: Egglayer - bubblenest
Ca Easy to Intermediate
pH: 6.8 - 7.4
Hardenss: up to 20 dGH
Temperatu 75-86 F (24-30 C)

"Sunny" wrote in message
...

"Koi-lo" wrote in message
...
snip
$$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?

Scientific Name: Betta Splendens
Other Names: Betta Family: Belontiidae
Origin: Cambodia, Thailand
Adult Size: 3 inches (7 cm)
Social: Males cannot be kept together
Lifespan: 2-3 years ******************

## They can and do live 4 years. The longest lived betta I've had was a
blue betta from PetsMart that lived 4 years and several months from the date
I bought him.

Tank Level: Top dweller
Minimum Tank Size: 3 gallon
Diet: Live foods preferable, will eat flakes and frozen foods

## I feed mine mostly dry foods but a nice variety.

Breeding: Egglayer - bubblenest
Ca Easy to Intermediate
pH: 6.8 - 7.4

## Our water has a PH of 7.8 to 8.0 indoors. :-( The ponds are even
higher.

Hardenss: up to 20 dGH

## And it's very hard water due to the limestone rock in our state.

Temperatu 75-86 F (24-30 C)

## Ours are at 72 F and up depending on the season. Perhaps the lower
temperature causes the longer lifespan.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Who really gives a flip on your bettas and where you bought
them........certainly no one in this or any other usenet group does,

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:22:14 -0600, "Koi-lo"
wrote:

===
==="Sunny" wrote in message
...
===
=== "Koi-lo" wrote in message
=== ...
=== snip
=== $$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
=== What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?
===
=== Scientific Name: Betta Splendens
=== Other Names: Betta Family: Belontiidae
=== Origin: Cambodia, Thailand
=== Adult Size: 3 inches (7 cm)
=== Social: Males cannot be kept together
=== Lifespan: 2-3 years ******************
===
===## They can and do live 4 years. The longest lived betta I've had was a
===blue betta from PetsMart that lived 4 years and several months from the date
===I bought him.
===
=== Tank Level: Top dweller
=== Minimum Tank Size: 3 gallon
=== Diet: Live foods preferable, will eat flakes and frozen foods
===
===## I feed mine mostly dry foods but a nice variety.
===
=== Breeding: Egglayer - bubblenest
=== Ca Easy to Intermediate
=== pH: 6.8 - 7.4
===
===## Our water has a PH of 7.8 to 8.0 indoors. :-( The ponds are even
===higher.
===
=== Hardenss: up to 20 dGH
===
===## And it's very hard water due to the limestone rock in our state.
===
=== Temperatu 75-86 F (24-30 C)
===
===## Ours are at 72 F and up depending on the season. Perhaps the lower
===temperature causes the longer lifespan.



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