Nanocube or eclipse aquariums

Roy wrote:

If you are on a restricted budget with little previous experience in
fish keeping, marine tanks are not to be recommended. The technical
setup is more complicated and expensive than fresh water, fish losses
are likely to be higher.

Nothing different than freshwater except for checking salinity...All
other tests still need to be done like Nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia
and PH.........

The biggest difference is the absence of plants in sal****er tanks to
aid in filtering and keep the setup stable (I know about algae, but that
does not change my statement). In addition the filter setup is more
complicated (protein skimmer).

In addition, most salt water fishes are caught from the wild, often by
using cyanide, which can destroy entire reef communities. Many fresh
water fishes, especially the typical beginner fishes like neons or
guppies, are bred in captivity.


I don;t know where you come from but better than 70 or 75 percent of
the fish sold in the shops here and at other places I frequent are all
tank rasied and bred.......not taken from the wild. The few that are
does not mean they use cyanide to catch them....

There are only about 20 species of sal****er fish that have been raised
successfully in captivity, and even of these the vast majority is wild
caught for financial reasons. And if you re-read my statement you will
find that I never said _all_ sal****er fishes were cyanide caught. In
fact that procedure is illegal, but still common practice. As Bert
Brecht once wrote: First comes the food, then comes the morale.

Why would he get more joy out of a freshwater than a sal****er.

Because his fishes are more likely to survive longer. In addition, costs
are considerably lower (I should know, as I have kept both).

perhaps you were hindered, but
its not hard unless your a real idiot.........

Your tone is inappropriate here.

BTW, could you please quote correctly, so the quotes and your answeres
are distinguished. It makes things much simpler for all concerned.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:42:58 +0100, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
wrote:
Roy wrote:

If you are on a restricted budget with little previous experience in
fish keeping, marine tanks are not to be recommended. The technical
setup is more complicated and expensive than fresh water, fish losses
are likely to be higher.

Nothing different than freshwater except for checking salinity...All
other tests still need to be done like Nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia
and PH.........

The biggest difference is the absence of plants in sal****er tanks to
aid in filtering and keep the setup stable (I know about algae, but that
does not change my statement). In addition the filter setup is more
complicated (protein skimmer).

Oh really, no real need to have a protein skimmer but it makes life
easier.....Live rock performs the majority of the filtration..Plants
are not necessary in a sw setup unless you want it over run with
things like calupera or chaeto.....or if you just have to have em put
em in a fuge..and really they are in the macro algae family anyhow so
plants or lack of plants is kind of stupid reason. I guess th9ough is
something as simple as a skimmer gets you confused, you better stay
with a plastic cup and a betta.



In addition, most salt water fishes are caught from the wild, often by
using cyanide, which can destroy entire reef communities. Many fresh
water fishes, especially the typical beginner fishes like neons or
guppies, are bred in captivity.


I don;t know where you come from but better than 70 or 75 percent of
the fish sold in the shops here and at other places I frequent are all
tank rasied and bred.......not taken from the wild. The few that are
does not mean they use cyanide to catch them....

There are only about 20 species of sal****er fish that have been raised
successfully in captivity, and even of these the vast majority is wild
caught for financial reasons. And if you re-read my statement you will
find that I never said _all_ sal****er fishes were cyanide caught. In
fact that procedure is illegal, but still common practice. As Bert
Brecht once wrote: First comes the food, then comes the morale.

The implication you made sounded and still does sound like to catch sw
fish they use cyanide..........then again you really need to do some
checking as to how many breeds are now tank rasied....your numbers are
off.

Why would he get more joy out of a freshwater than a sal****er.

Because his fishes are more likely to survive longer. In addition, costs
are considerably lower (I should know, as I have kept both).


And why would fw fishes live longer than marine fish.....I have lots
of old salts so to speak and they are doing fine, and I started off as
a beginer as well at one point and some of those fish I started with
were with me many many years.........then again info from a person who
thinks a skimmer is a complicated piece of equipment, what would they
know anyhow.
perhaps you were hindered, but
its not hard unless your a real idiot.........

Your tone is inappropriate here.
Any who the hell are you , my momma? You can read it anyway you want
to, If I can read yur post to sound like your a dumbass that tells
folks they can't start a sw sewtup as its too complicated for a
beginer, or a skimmer is needed and very complicated, I can assume
just like you can I not.......I will further say your kind of narrow
minded and coupled with your total stupidity on advisiing someone who
is wanting to start off with a marine tank they can';t do it because
of your lame a$$ reasons, your a babbling idiot then with no real
experieince in SW setups or you certainly would not have made suck
stupid assinine statements as you did....


BTW, could you please quote correctly, so the quotes and your answeres
are distinguished. It makes things much simpler for all concerned.

When you pay my ISP bill then you may have the right to tell me how to
post or how to quote......

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Roy wrote:


Your tone is inappropriate here.
Any who the hell are you , my momma? You can read it anyway you want
to, If I can read yur post to sound like your a dumbass that tells


Plonk

Roy wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:42:58 +0100, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
wrote:

Roy wrote:

If you are on a restricted budget with little previous experience in
fish keeping, marine tanks are not to be recommended. The technical
setup is more complicated and expensive than fresh water, fish losses
are likely to be higher.

Nothing different than freshwater except for checking salinity...All
other tests still need to be done like Nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia
and PH.........

The biggest difference is the absence of plants in sal****er tanks to
aid in filtering and keep the setup stable (I know about algae, but that
does not change my statement). In addition the filter setup is more
complicated (protein skimmer).


Oh really, no real need to have a protein skimmer but it makes life
easier.....Live rock performs the majority of the filtration..Plants
are not necessary in a sw setup unless you want it over run with
things like calupera or chaeto.....or if you just have to have em put
em in a fuge..and really they are in the macro algae family anyhow so
plants or lack of plants is kind of stupid reason. I guess th9ough is
something as simple as a skimmer gets you confused, you better stay
with a plastic cup and a betta.




In addition, most salt water fishes are caught from the wild, often by
using cyanide, which can destroy entire reef communities. Many fresh
water fishes, especially the typical beginner fishes like neons or
guppies, are bred in captivity.


I don;t know where you come from but better than 70 or 75 percent of
the fish sold in the shops here and at other places I frequent are all
tank rasied and bred.......not taken from the wild. The few that are
does not mean they use cyanide to catch them....

There are only about 20 species of sal****er fish that have been raised
successfully in captivity, and even of these the vast majority is wild
caught for financial reasons. And if you re-read my statement you will
find that I never said _all_ sal****er fishes were cyanide caught. In
fact that procedure is illegal, but still common practice. As Bert
Brecht once wrote: First comes the food, then comes the morale.


The implication you made sounded and still does sound like to catch sw
fish they use cyanide..........then again you really need to do some
checking as to how many breeds are now tank rasied....your numbers are
off.


Why would he get more joy out of a freshwater than a sal****er.

Because his fishes are more likely to survive longer. In addition, costs
are considerably lower (I should know, as I have kept both).



And why would fw fishes live longer than marine fish.....I have lots
of old salts so to speak and they are doing fine, and I started off as
a beginer as well at one point and some of those fish I started with
were with me many many years.........then again info from a person who
thinks a skimmer is a complicated piece of equipment, what would they
know anyhow.

perhaps you were hindered, but
its not hard unless your a real idiot.........

Your tone is inappropriate here.

Any who the hell are you , my momma? You can read it anyway you want
to, If I can read yur post to sound like your a dumbass that tells
folks they can't start a sw sewtup as its too complicated for a
beginer, or a skimmer is needed and very complicated, I can assume
just like you can I not.......I will further say your kind of narrow
minded and coupled with your total stupidity on advisiing someone who
is wanting to start off with a marine tank they can';t do it because
of your lame a$$ reasons, your a babbling idiot then with no real
experieince in SW setups or you certainly would not have made suck
stupid assinine statements as you did....



BTW, could you please quote correctly, so the quotes and your answeres
are distinguished. It makes things much simpler for all concerned.


When you pay my ISP bill then you may have the right to tell me how to
post or how to quote......


Here's a better idea. Why don't you go play a few rounds of hide and go
**** yourself? You seem uniquely suited for the task.