goldfish question

(going to reply to both reply messages here)

Can you replace this with a 10g tank?

Yeah, probably. Just not sure it's worth it for a $0.20 goldfish
though, unless I step up to other types of schooling fish like tetras
or guppies or something else simple? I'm admittedly new to this, so I'm
not going to rush out and buy freshwater angelfish or anything ;o)

What is the ammonia reading in this tank? How about the nitrite levels?
You do dechlorinate the water you add I hope.

Well, only being into this hobby for 2.5 weeks, I haven't purchased any
testing kits, so I have no idea what the levels are. As mentioned in my
previous post, I've been treating all water with AmQuel+ which helps
manage chloramine, cloride, nitrate, nitrite and ammonia levels,
although I haven't followed up as much on how those levels are affected
by the addative other than the chloramine and chloride levels being
lowered if not elimited. I suppose I could pick up a testing kit at
lunch and have a look.

If he's holding his fins up most of the time and can swim vigorously I
wouldn't be too worried.

Yeah, he's holding his fin up right now, and swims around, he's going
through all levels of the water (top, mid, low) and then settles back
down on the bottom. My wife, who has kept an aquairum for a while
thinks that maybe he's stressed or tired?

Feeders are shipped under appalling conditions, and sometimes a batch will be
so bad off that many die

When I started two weeks ago, I bought two feeder goldfish, and one
died within 24 hours after looking *very* lethargic, and was removed
within 10 seconds of dying - I was keeping a very close eye on it. The
remaining fish has lasted, like I said, two weeks, and has a healthy
appetite and swims just fine, it just seems very odd to me that it'd
rest on the gravel in the tank... didn't seem like normal fish behavior
to me.

Thanks for the followup!

ian

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I was keeping a very close eye on it. The
remaining fish has lasted, like I said, two weeks, and has a healthy
appetite and swims just fine, it just seems very odd to me that it'd
rest on the gravel in the tank... didn't seem like normal fish behavior
to me.
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With the products you're using I don't know how your kits will read
(accurately or not) or if a healthy nitrogen cycle and develop. Resting on
the gravel isn't really a good sign as healthy GF are usually moving about
the tank as long as it's light enough to see. I'm going to suggest you do
some partial water changes using ONLY a product that removes chloramines and
chlorine. Then watch to see if there's an ammonia problem.... others may
have other ideas.
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"Koi-lo" wrote in
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I'm going to suggest you do some partial water changes using ONLY a
product that removes chloramines and chlorine. Then watch to see if
there's an ammonia problem.... others may have other ideas.

A sal****er (two part) ammonia tester that is not based on the Nessler
method should measure the presence of ammonia despite the use of
detoxifying agents.

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"Koi-lo" wrote in
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I'm going to suggest you do some partial water changes using ONLY a
product that removes chloramines and chlorine. Then watch to see if
there's an ammonia problem.... others may have other ideas.

A sal****er (two part) ammonia tester that is not based on the Nessler
method should measure the presence of ammonia despite the use of
detoxifying agents.
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I see. I was just wondering if these products were screwing up the nitrogen
cycle.

Thank you.......
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"Koi-lo" wrote in
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I see. I was just wondering if these products were screwing up the
nitrogen cycle.

It wouldn't surprise me, but an un-circulated bowl doesn't sound like the
most favorable environment for highly aerobic nitrifying bacteria to form
anyway.

My experience with products like Ammo-Lock is that they may temporarily
prevent sudden death from toxic shock, but they only prolong cause of the
problem. I only use it to temporarily treat fish that have been
transported long distances while acclimatizing them to a clean and healthy
environment.

There other detoxifying products out there that do not appear to have any
negative effect on the nitrogen cycle at all, the tap water conditioner
Prime made by Seachem is a good example of that.

But I think the best solution to the original poster's problem is to
increase the frequency of his water changes to half the bowl twice a week
and decrease feeding to every other day until he can add a proper
functional filter to it. Something that small might be able to get by with
a bubbler and a UGF for one very small goldfish. When the g-fish grows he
will certainly need a new home though.

IMO, AmQuel+ is one of the best dechlorinators on the market and THE
best for uncycled tanks like Ians. I would continue to use it. It's
meant to be used in conjunction with Kordon's NovAqua though. You'll
want to use them together.

-Christie

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IMO, AmQuel+ is one of the best dechlorinators on the market and THE
best for uncycled tanks like Ians. I would continue to use it. It's
meant to be used in conjunction with Kordon's NovAqua though. You'll
want to use them together.
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I have so many tanks, pools, tubs and two ponds that we buy Sodium
Thiosulfate by the 10 lb container and make our own dechlor'. Fortunately
we only have chlorine in our water, nothing else. I seed new pools and
tanks from old. All I add is KoiZyme for both koi and goldfish to help
prevent an ulcer outbreak.
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