Are corals really strictly carnivorous?

"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"Croosh" wrote in message
ups.com...
I stand corrected I'm by far no marine biologist, so I guess I'll
have to do some more reading.
I'm just affraid that some "dude" will read this post and try to keep
acroporas or such under 18W compact fluorescent flood light, since they
look pretty, even when bleached, and feeding well will keep them
growing.

This is a risk with Jaime posts here... they are not really aquarium
related.

Yah. Even still, he comes off as a bit of a crackpot (no offense intended
with that, I know some _genius_ crackpots... ;-).

But I don't know of another researcher who make as extensive an (ab)use of
Usenet with titillating, yet ultimately content-free, posts (OK, there _is_
one "tinfoil hat whack-o" in the sci.chem.* hierarchy, but he's freely
looney enough to be discounted after reading any one of his posts). It
ultimately only hurts his cause, if he has one. Research Ethics 101 teaches
that behavior like that is typically the purview of the classic snake-oil
vendor, and is to be avoided. It doesn't do anything to help Jaime's cause,
even if all his work itself is accurate, reputable and worthwhile.
Reputable researchers would tend more towards keeping their work "under
wraps" until it is ready for disclosure, or at least until they obtain
patent protection (from Jaime's hints, his fundamental groundwork sounds
ready enough to submit for such... What's the delay?) Hints and allusions
to a "perfect, and perfectly cheap" captive reef setup from Jaime are
abundant enough now to chafe a mostly-lurking reader reader like myself,
given their lack of actual, substantive content.

In laymans terms; it's time to s*&t, or get off the pot.

Regards,
R. David Zopf
Atom Weaver

Thanks Wayne
That remark coming from you is a compliment.
You flattered me!

jrs
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Yep, definately not a marine biologists, definatley just reading as he
goes along.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 2/27/2006 8:44 PM:
Well Croosh, good try but no cigar dude!
1. The only instance that a relationship is parasitic if it is negative
to the host... There are plenty of examples of symbionts that only one
side benefits. Don't confuse symbiosis with mutualism. All mutualisms
are symbiotic but not all symbionsis are mutualisms...
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=symbiosis
2. Corals don't have skeleton? For God's sake dude read a little more
please!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=coral
3. In your world, how and where plants store glucose? Do plants expell
glucose out in, lets see, some type of sweat?
http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/...BioBookPS.html
(this link doesn't only aply to macrophytes, the process is universal to
all plants)
4. So, acording to you anemones will die in the dark!
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14920152.400.html
Do I have to say anything else?

Ignorance is daring!

Well, methinks you are one of Wayne's clients, so knowledgeable and well
informed that I have to bow and yield!

jrs

"Croosh" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jaime,
Unless a coral can benefit from its algae, it would be called
parasite/host relationship, not symbiosis, and many photosynthetic
corals don't have skeleton to benefit from calcium carbonates...
There is also a thing called carbohydrate (glucose for example) that
coral would benefit from directly, i.e. algae consume CO2 and some
byproducts of coral's metabolism and photosynthesize oxygen and
glucose, which in turn benefits coral.
Anemone is even more carnivore than an Acropora colony for example, but
try keeping one in complete darkness and just feed solid food. It
won't live till Christmas I bet...
(Actually, don't do that since you'll slay a perfectly good animal)

Regards
Yuriy

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"Jaime R-S" wrote in message
. ..
: To be 100% sure of anything about corals is to be a fool.
: Polyps are basically carnivorous, lets say 95%.
: They may feed on algae debris floating around. Their digestive system are
: completely capable of digesting and utilizing some vegetation but is by
: chance not by choice.
: Now, as far as using the zooxantell within, that is impossible. First, the
: algae is not even close to its digestive system, therefor, It can´t be
: digested. Second, the algae produces vegetative living matter out of
: sunlight and incorporates it to its own body which, as I said, is AWAY FROM
: THE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM of the polyp. Third, the algae may and will utilize
: digested residoir from the polyp´s meal after it enters the polyp´s body.
: With those macromolecules the algae produces carbonates that the polyp can
: use for skeleton building.
: Your buddy here tried to say that corals utilized algae for food. That was
: a barbaric statement and I corrected him.
: Enough is enough...
:
: jrs
: "Pszemol" wrote in message
: ...
: "Jaime R-S" wrote in message
: . ..
: I don't know how will you understand that corals are CARNIVOROUS and
: don't eat the algae.
:
: Are you 100% sure this statement is correct for ALL known corals ?
:
: And one more thing, how do you define "don't eat the algae" ? Do you
: really mean strict 0% of any coral diet is algae ?
:
: Yes, the algae's, and any plant for that matters,
: production is fixed on its leaves. That is the reason why the coral
: CAN'T benefit from the algae's production.
:
: Even more interesting... Could you please provide me with some paper
: elaborating on this subject ?
:
: Light down there uses no BALLAST OR EXPENSIVE FIXTURES. It is just
: natural sunlight, the same one that can be reproduce in your living room
: with inexpensive lights. Of course, if you want it to look pretty, the
: $500 investment is worst it. But please, don't tell anyone that those
: lights are needed other than for aesthetic purposes'.
:
: Except scientific facilities, most of the fish tanks are kept just
: for the aesthetic purposes, so I am not sure what is the problem...
: The statement about "reproducing sunlight with inexpensive lights"
: is quite peculiar...
:
:

Just for ****s and giggles..LOL

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"Boomer" wrote in message ...
: You are a troll or have completely lost it.
:
: --
: Boomer
:
: If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
:
: Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
: Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
:
: Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
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:
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:
:
:
: "Jaime R-S" wrote in message
: . ..
:: To be 100% sure of anything about corals is to be a fool.
:: Polyps are basically carnivorous, lets say 95%.
:: They may feed on algae debris floating around. Their digestive system are
:: completely capable of digesting and utilizing some vegetation but is by
:: chance not by choice.
:: Now, as far as using the zooxantell within, that is impossible. First, the
:: algae is not even close to its digestive system, therefor, It can´t be
:: digested. Second, the algae produces vegetative living matter out of
:: sunlight and incorporates it to its own body which, as I said, is AWAY FROM
:: THE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM of the polyp. Third, the algae may and will utilize
:: digested residoir from the polyp´s meal after it enters the polyp´s body.
:: With those macromolecules the algae produces carbonates that the polyp can
:: use for skeleton building.
:: Your buddy here tried to say that corals utilized algae for food. That was
:: a barbaric statement and I corrected him.
:: Enough is enough...
::
:: jrs
:: "Pszemol" wrote in message
:: ...
:: "Jaime R-S" wrote in message
:: . ..
:: I don't know how will you understand that corals are CARNIVOROUS and
:: don't eat the algae.
::
:: Are you 100% sure this statement is correct for ALL known corals ?
::
:: And one more thing, how do you define "don't eat the algae" ? Do you
:: really mean strict 0% of any coral diet is algae ?
::
:: Yes, the algae's, and any plant for that matters,
:: production is fixed on its leaves. That is the reason why the coral
:: CAN'T benefit from the algae's production.
::
:: Even more interesting... Could you please provide me with some paper
:: elaborating on this subject ?
::
:: Light down there uses no BALLAST OR EXPENSIVE FIXTURES. It is just
:: natural sunlight, the same one that can be reproduce in your living room
:: with inexpensive lights. Of course, if you want it to look pretty, the
:: $500 investment is worst it. But please, don't tell anyone that those
:: lights are needed other than for aesthetic purposes'.
::
:: Except scientific facilities, most of the fish tanks are kept just
:: for the aesthetic purposes, so I am not sure what is the problem...
:: The statement about "reproducing sunlight with inexpensive lights"
:: is quite peculiar...
::
::
:
:

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"Boomer" wrote in message ...
: You are a troll or have completely lost it.
:
: --
: Boomer
:
: If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
:
: Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
: Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS
:
: Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
: http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php
:
: Want to See More ! The Coral Realm
: http://www.coralrealm.com
:
:
:
: "Jaime R-S" wrote in message
: . ..
:: To be 100% sure of anything about corals is to be a fool.
:: Polyps are basically carnivorous, lets say 95%.
:: They may feed on algae debris floating around. Their digestive system are
:: completely capable of digesting and utilizing some vegetation but is by
:: chance not by choice.
:: Now, as far as using the zooxantell within, that is impossible. First, the
:: algae is not even close to its digestive system, therefor, It can´t be
:: digested. Second, the algae produces vegetative living matter out of
:: sunlight and incorporates it to its own body which, as I said, is AWAY FROM
:: THE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM of the polyp. Third, the algae may and will utilize
:: digested residoir from the polyp´s meal after it enters the polyp´s body.
:: With those macromolecules the algae produces carbonates that the polyp can
:: use for skeleton building.
:: Your buddy here tried to say that corals utilized algae for food. That was
:: a barbaric statement and I corrected him.
:: Enough is enough...
::
:: jrs
:: "Pszemol" wrote in message
:: ...
:: "Jaime R-S" wrote in message
:: . ..
:: I don't know how will you understand that corals are CARNIVOROUS and
:: don't eat the algae.
::
:: Are you 100% sure this statement is correct for ALL known corals ?
::
:: And one more thing, how do you define "don't eat the algae" ? Do you
:: really mean strict 0% of any coral diet is algae ?
::
:: Yes, the algae's, and any plant for that matters,
:: production is fixed on its leaves. That is the reason why the coral
:: CAN'T benefit from the algae's production.
::
:: Even more interesting... Could you please provide me with some paper
:: elaborating on this subject ?
::
:: Light down there uses no BALLAST OR EXPENSIVE FIXTURES. It is just
:: natural sunlight, the same one that can be reproduce in your living room
:: with inexpensive lights. Of course, if you want it to look pretty, the
:: $500 investment is worst it. But please, don't tell anyone that those
:: lights are needed other than for aesthetic purposes'.
::
:: Except scientific facilities, most of the fish tanks are kept just
:: for the aesthetic purposes, so I am not sure what is the problem...
:: The statement about "reproducing sunlight with inexpensive lights"
:: is quite peculiar...
::
::
:
: