How smart are fish ?

You have to stop smoking that thing Wayne, it is destroying the few neurons
left in your gray matter.
iy
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Inabón Yunes wrote on 7/23/2006 12:50 AM:

In the case of fish, well, they are a couple of steps down from birds in
the evolutionary scale.

Evolution is a great for people that don't want to
acknowledge the reality of the Creator.

My computer evolved from a toaster oven.

I tried to make some toast the other day, but even though the slots are of
different sizes, I could not get a slice of bread in there. Obviously, an
inferior evolutionary process. I'm sure it will become extinct soon.

Get a chain, and cut every other link. Throw out all of the cut links.
Take all of the intact links and arrange them so that they look pretty.
You will then have a good working model of the theory of evolution.

Actually, evolution is easy to prove. Simply gather some old bones from a
variety of animals (your choice), and some human bones, and put them
together so that they look half human, and then give it a name like Suzie.

Scientist have recently discovered a new class of creatures down deep in
the sea. They have classified them in the zoowacko group. They have 2
heads and 3 eyes on each head :-)

Zigg and Zagg, Martians from Venus (they were born on Mars, but now live
on Venus), did a study of the evolutionary order on earth. They decided to
first doccument the order of evolvement of machines, since it was what
most interested them. It was quite interesting reading, and learning how
the different machines evolved from each other, like cars, trucks,
microwaves, television sets, laptops, PDA's, watches, cranes, excetera. If
you do a search on the internet you might be able to find their report :-)
They still have a few missing links to figure out. After they get that
study completely finished, they are going to do their next study on
animals and it's evolvement on the great planet Earth. After both of those
studies are completed and proven, they are to decide "which came first,
the animals, or the machines?" Zigg and Zagg have pritty-much decided that
the machines came first since they are more basic in construction than the
animals, but that has yet to be proven.


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Quick question Wayne!
Who said that God existed?
Can you proof it? I can but I didn't need a bible for it...
BTW, this is an aquarists forum, take your ignorant and foolish theories to
another group full of people that believe in that.
iy
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Pszemol wrote on 7/24/2006 11:25 AM:
Scientist have recently discovered a new class of creatures down deep in
the sea. They have classified them in the zoowacko group. They have 2
heads and 3 eyes on each head :-)

Oh, really ? I would like to read about them...
Throw some details, please.

Notice the "zowacko" name :-) Obviously there are no creatures with 2
heads and 3 eyes on each head. :-) There are deformities some times, but
they are not normal.

One thing that I find interesting, is that people that believe in
evolution think that there is less similarities between people and animals
than people that believe in creation.

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He knows better but he put his learnings in a secluted place in his
bathroom.
He has seen many time evolution in progress as you watch a larvae turning
into a crab. Better yet, a one cell organism becoming a human everytime a
woman gets pregnant.
iy
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"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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LOL what's that supposed to mean???

I'm one of a kind :-) hehehe

I do not think your argument with toaster oven was an originally yours...

But anyway - is there any proof for evolution you would be willing
to accet as "convincing" you the theory works ? Or you just totaly reject
the theory on the basis of religion and your faith/believe in God ??
In the second case no proof, even the "in your face" one would change
your mind and the further discussion is simply mute.
Please let me know - we could then move on to more interesting stuff ;-)

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ...
Instinct: a largely inheritable and unalterable tendency
of an organism to make a complex and specific response to
environmental stimuli without involving reason.

So someone decided to redefine the word? hehehe

No, no redefine... I should say there are two kinds of reflexes:
instincts (inheritable) and conditioned reflexes - these are
the ones you "learn" during the life...
Both kinds of reflexes have nothing to do with intelligence.

I find it interesting that you are arguing in this
direction after your earlier argument about the anemone
fish and it's anemone.

My argument before had nothing to do with evolution...
Here I am reacting to your statements about creationism.

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atomweaver wrote on 7/24/2006 3:25 PM:
Balance snipped, since it can be read here;


http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...msg/86afab43d6
3180d 0?dmode=source

How disappointingly unoriginal, Wayne...


LOL what's that supposed to mean???

I'm one of a kind :-) hehehe

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Errmm. It means I'm really disappointed in how unoriginal your post
was.

I'll be the first to recognize and value your opinion on matters
related to fishkeeping. One would think that you might learn from
seeing the results of misguided information wrt reefkeeping, that
posting from ignorance is never a Good Thing(tm). I guess not... you
know almost nothing about ToE, but still post about it, without regard
to the impact of your ignorance.

I'm also disappointed in a lot of aspects of what you're posting
about. Creationism is an aspect of overzealous conservatism. Its a
petty hi-jacking of Christianity by small-minded folk, who undermine
Christian faith by trivializing the Bible and its teachings with an
overly-literal interpretation, in most instances for political, rather
than spiritual, ends. What a lame duck to align yourself with, Wayne...
I can't think of another single idea which so stupidly undermine both
valid scientific education _and_ the very religion which it claims to be
a proponent of.

I'm one of a kind :-) hehehe


Sadly, on this matter, you're all too common.

Regards,
R. David Zopf
Atom Weaver

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ...
Pszemol wrote on 7/24/2006 6:08 PM:

I do not think your argument with toaster oven was an originally yours...

You are correct on that :-)

Any response to my question ?
Or you prefer to leave it unanswered ?

Pszemol wrote on 7/24/2006 5:48 PM:
Fish reaction to food is the first kind: they do not have to learn to eat.
Fish reacting to the fridge opening or seeing a person next to the tank
is the second kind - the same as the one Pavlov dogs developed an
salivation reflex for the sound of the bell. Do more reading here
http://www.es.flinders.edu.au/~matto...lecture30.html

People do that, hence the phrase "mouth watering".

Wayne Sallee
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Pszemol wrote on 7/24/2006 11:25 AM:
the fact they are alone in the Universe
and there is no God listening to their prayers :-)


You don't even believe that.

Wayne Sallee
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Inabón Yunes wrote on 7/23/2006 12:50 AM:
I used to raise fighting chicken. They are territorial and will defend its
domain to the death, literally.
You see, they have no choice, they will respond to a stimuli in the same way
over and over and over again.
So, if they get a response "starter" the reaction will be the same.

People will do that :-)
And dogs have been raised for that, but dogs can't think
for themselves can they :-) hehehe

Wayne Sallee
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atomweaver wrote on 7/25/2006 8:50 AM:

I'm also disappointed in a lot of aspects of what you're posting
about. Creationism is an aspect of overzealous conservatism. Its a
petty hi-jacking of Christianity by small-minded folk, who undermine
Christian faith by trivializing the Bible and its teachings with an
overly-literal interpretation, in most instances for political, rather
than spiritual, ends. What a lame duck to align yourself with, Wayne...
I can't think of another single idea which so stupidly undermine both
valid scientific education _and_ the very religion which it claims to be
a proponent of.

LOL you crack me up.

Wayne Sallee
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