How smart are fish ?

For God's sake Wayne, you are taking fire from everywhere dude!
You see, go to church to talk about this, is the only place they'll belief
you blindfolded.
Here, hehehe, well, you can't take anymore beating.
When I first entered this NG I was under the impression that you knew a
little about something, at this point I am not sure how you made it thru
high school.
You see, there is a whole world outthere that sees the bible for what it is
worst. A bunch of papers translated from language to language that are most
likely so transformed that it says the opposite of what they were intended.
For example, the bible says that the Israelites were the chosen people,
apparently they were the chosen ones alright but to be punish by God for
eternity.
For 5,000 years their people had done nothing but suffer. Even today a few
descendants of David died at the hands of the descendants of Goliath. See,
they were the chosen people to get screwed over millennia...
Do you still belief LITERALLY in the bible?
Evolution rules dude! Just watch a zygote, unicellular, transform in 9
months into a human being.
iy
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No, not really well put at all. It's like a person with a goldfish bowl
telling a person with a successful reef tank that they are killing their
corals.

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RicSeyler wrote on 7/25/2006 5:48 PM:


atomweaver wrote:


Creationism is an aspect of overzealous conservatism. Its a petty
hi-jacking of Christianity by small-minded folk, who undermine Christian
faith by trivializing the Bible and its teachings with an overly-literal
interpretation, in most instances for political, rather than spiritual,
ends. I can't think of another single idea which so stupidly
undermine both valid scientific education _and_ the very religion which
it claims to be a proponent of.
Stands Clapping well said, well put

Inabón Yunes wrote on 7/26/2006 1:06 AM:
You see, there is a whole world outthere that sees the bible for what it is
worst. A bunch of papers translated from language to language that are most
likely so transformed that it says the opposite of what they were intended.

Don't believe everything your professors told you. Most
translations go back to the original documents.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Ever played the telephone game in school Wayne? Going through person
after person it never comes out the same
at the end of game.

Wayne Sallee wrote:

Inabón Yunes wrote on 7/26/2006 1:06 AM:

You see, there is a whole world outthere that sees the bible for what
it is worst. A bunch of papers translated from language to language
that are most likely so transformed that it says the opposite of what
they were intended.


Don't believe everything your professors told you. Most translations
go back to the original documents.

Wayne Sallee
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Most translations go back to the original documents.
If what you say was true, then the many different
translations would vary greatly, and they would vary
greatly over the years. But that is not the case.

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RicSeyler wrote on 7/27/2006 12:11 PM:
Ever played the telephone game in school Wayne? Going through person
after person it never comes out the same
at the end of game.

Wayne Sallee wrote:

Inabón Yunes wrote on 7/26/2006 1:06 AM:

You see, there is a whole world outthere that sees the bible for what
it is worst. A bunch of papers translated from language to language
that are most likely so transformed that it says the opposite of what
they were intended.


Don't believe everything your professors told you. Most translations
go back to the original documents.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

The "original documents" were compiled from stories passed down through
generations....

Wayne Sallee wrote:

Most translations go back to the original documents.
If what you say was true, then the many different translations would
vary greatly, and they would vary greatly over the years. But that is
not the case.

Wayne Sallee
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Not only is that the case, you know it but your faith won't let you remember
it.
Where are the original documents?
iy
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Most translations go back to the original documents.
If what you say was true, then the many different translations would vary
greatly, and they would vary greatly over the years. But that is not the
case.

Wayne Sallee
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RicSeyler wrote on 7/27/2006 12:11 PM:
Ever played the telephone game in school Wayne? Going through person
after person it never comes out the same
at the end of game.

Wayne Sallee wrote:

Inabón Yunes wrote on 7/26/2006 1:06 AM:

You see, there is a whole world outthere that sees the bible for what
it is worst. A bunch of papers translated from language to language
that are most likely so transformed that it says the opposite of what
they were intended.


Don't believe everything your professors told you. Most translations go
back to the original documents.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ...
Most translations go back to the original documents.

It is not true. I bet many european languages like
German, English, French were translated from the
Latin version, not from the original Hebrew/Aramaic...
And even so - each translating person/team will
have different "flavor" added to the translation...
It is impossible to translate word-to-word from
one language to another, especially so different
languages as English and Hebrew...

Do an experiment:
Try to do modern text translation from English to German,
hire two different translators, then get two Germant versions
of the same English text and compare them word-by-word.
I bet they will be different. Then hire another two translators
and ask them to translate these two German copies back
to English - you will be amazed what will you do in return.

If what you say was true, then the many different
translations would vary greatly, and they would vary
greatly over the years. But that is not the case.

They DO vary greatly.

It gets even worst!
The "originals" were actually written in Greek which, at the time, was the
official written language. Or they use they Greek alphabets.
Remember, Paul to mention one, was a Roman...
iy
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Most translations go back to the original documents.

It is not true. I bet many european languages like
German, English, French were translated from the
Latin version, not from the original Hebrew/Aramaic...
And even so - each translating person/team will have different "flavor"
added to the translation...
It is impossible to translate word-to-word from
one language to another, especially so different
languages as English and Hebrew...

Do an experiment:
Try to do modern text translation from English to German,
hire two different translators, then get two Germant versions
of the same English text and compare them word-by-word.
I bet they will be different. Then hire another two translators
and ask them to translate these two German copies back
to English - you will be amazed what will you do in return.

If what you say was true, then the many different translations would vary
greatly, and they would vary greatly over the years. But that is not the
case.

They DO vary greatly.

You still have the issue that they were verbal stories passed down
before they were written down. Hence the "telephone game" syndrome
that could occur.

Inabón Yunes wrote:

It gets even worst!
The "originals" were actually written in Greek which, at the time, was the
official written language. Or they use they Greek alphabets.
Remember, Paul to mention one, was a Roman...
iy







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RicSeyler wrote on 7/27/2006 12:11 PM:
Ever played the telephone game in school Wayne? Going through person
after person it never comes out the same
at the end of game.

Yea, by the time it got to me, it would be senseless, so I
always created a new statement, and passed it on then
everybody would be cracking up wondering how it go to that
:-) hehehe


And fish are a lot smarter than people give them credit for.

Wayne Sallee
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