Good article on Bettas in TFH

Köi-Lö wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:
Sniped for bullcrap.
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I thought you weren't TROLLING me? :-) I have pictures to prove they live
quite long and healthy lives in other than heated, filtered tanks.

You have pictures of how NOT to house Bettas!
Just because they live, doesn't mean they are thriving!
If you can't provide the proper care for an animal you shouldn't keep
it.

People keep Goldies all the time in 1-2 gallon tanks or even bowls.
They can live like this for 2 yrs sometimes. I've seen it with my own
eyes.
It never makes it right. It just meant that these fish were abused for
that long.
You're doing the same thing with your Bettas.
If you want to abuse your own fish, fine. That's your choice.
However, if you tell other folks this is the right way, I will correct
you.
If you haven't noticed, I don't bother correcting you on anything you
claim when it comes to Goldies or Koi, because this is where your
expertise is. Bettas, is not and you still have much to learn.

PLONK!!!!!!!!!!!


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Köi-Lö wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:
Sniped for bullcrap.
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I thought you weren't TROLLING me? :-) I have pictures to prove they
live
quite long and healthy lives in other than heated, filtered tanks.

You have pictures of how NOT to house Bettas!
Just because they live, doesn't mean they are thriving!
If you can't provide the proper care for an animal you shouldn't keep
it.

People keep Goldies all the time in 1-2 gallon tanks or even bowls.
They can live like this for 2 yrs sometimes. I've seen it with my own
eyes.
It never makes it right. It just meant that these fish were abused for
that long.
You're doing the same thing with your Bettas.
If you want to abuse your own fish, fine. That's your choice.
However, if you tell other folks this is the right way, I will correct
you.
If you haven't noticed, I don't bother correcting you on anything you
claim when it comes to Goldies or Koi, because this is where your
expertise is. Bettas, is not and you still have much to learn.


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Sorry Köi-Lö.... but this person is correct.
I have captured betta in Thailand and Malaysia.
I have seen the biotypes and I have bred (and more important RAISED) both
bubble nesters and mouth brooders.
THEY NEED HEATED TANKS TO PROSPER.
A bit of filtration helps a lot too.
Now if your in the tropics your alright and can get away with a little
bottle.
But for the best results filtration (heck a good vege filter CAN work) and
heating are the go.
I'd like to add that humidity is important as well. Perhaps more important
than people realise.
Betta may endure a fair amount of abuse and they may linger on for longer at
cold temps.
But they are not the same happy active hunter unless they have their warm
water.
I sell so many of these fish. Everyone is always so confident that they are
so easy.
It truely is difficult to make people understand, they only have one
weakness.
And thats little containers with unstable temperature.

Besides betta's in cold water are bloody boring. Half the time ya need to
give them a poke to see if their dead or not.
The same betta in a nice heated, filtered and planted out tank is an active
and infinitely happier fish.
Depends what you want, and sadly most people just want a bunch of red or
green fins suspended in a cup of water.
doesn't do it for me, I like to see in a tank what I have seen in the wild.
only it's better in a tank.... these things are VERY bird shy hey, very big
on lurking under floating weeds and stuff.

Anyway enuf of the troll bull****
I gave you a hundred chances koi-lo
this newsgroup is for helping fish keepers
it's not for petty flame wars
If you can't have a dam conversation without screaming troll left right and
centre..... well you deserve to be in my killfile with all the other idiots
slandering you.
It's a lot of work filtering out the real posts from the crap.
Which is a shame as this was once a hangout of a lot of guru's.
Tis a shame when people let themselves be brought down to the level of those
who seek only to be idiots.
They always beat ya with experience.
so ya sorry but maybe we meet elsewhere.
plonk

"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
u...
Sorry Köi-Lö.... but this person is correct.
I have captured betta in Thailand and Malaysia.
I have seen the biotypes and I have bred (and more important RAISED) both
bubble nesters and mouth brooders.

I bred bettas in the 1960s. We kept them in whatever we could get our hot
little hands on - from small tanks to jars to old goldfish bowls etc. I
didn't say she was *wrong* that bigger tanks are"better"... just that few
people keep them that way. The only heated filtered tanks we had were for
the breeding pairs and fry. They lived long healthy lives because we kept
them clean and well fed.

THEY NEED HEATED TANKS TO PROSPER.

Only if your apartment or house is cold. Most of us here in the USA have
central heating.

A bit of filtration helps a lot too.

Trying to filter anything but a tank is difficult. Most filters are too
powerful for a jar or gallon tank.

Now if your in the tropics your alright and can get away with a little
bottle.
But for the best results filtration (heck a good vege filter CAN work) and
heating are the go.

I'm not aware of what a verge filter is. I tried a Palm Filter on a 1g jar
and it didn't work. Even that made too much current. And the jar still had
to be cleaned two or three times a month.

I'd like to add that humidity is important as well. Perhaps more important
than people realise.
Betta may endure a fair amount of abuse and they may linger on for longer
at cold temps.

What do you mean by colder temps? Mine live over 4 years at room temps. We
keep our home at 76F in the winter. Days are warmer when the sun shines in.
There are no heaters that I have ever seen that are safe for gallon
jars/tanks.

But they are not the same happy active hunter unless they have their warm
water.
I sell so many of these fish. Everyone is always so confident that they
are so easy.
It truely is difficult to make people understand, they only have one
weakness.
And thats little containers with unstable temperature.

Here again. That may depend on where the person lives and how cool they
keep their home. If they lack central heating or keep their home in the 70F
range the betta may have a problem. I never lived in such a cool home. How
many people spending $2.99 for a betta are going to pay another $40 or more
for a tank, heater and filter? If it were a legal requirement the betta
trade would quickly die out. So I'm not saying it's wrong or bad
information as it "all depends" as they say........

Besides betta's in cold water are bloody boring. Half the time ya need to
give them a poke to see if their dead or not.
The same betta in a nice heated, filtered and planted out tank is an
active and infinitely happier fish.
Depends what you want, and sadly most people just want a bunch of red or
green fins suspended in a cup of water.

That is sad but it's true. Most were sold to people as a pet for their
child anyway. The parents showed little interest. I remember reading in a
TFH (I think) magazine that most fish are dead within weeks of leaving the
wholesalers and pet stores. I'm sure that included bettas. Over the years
I saw many badly neglected fish of all kinds in heated, filtered tanks.
They're no guarantee the owner will be caring no matter what they spend on
their hobby. The novelty wears off and the neglect starts.

doesn't do it for me, I like to see in a tank what I have seen in the
wild.
only it's better in a tank.... these things are VERY bird shy hey, very
big on lurking under floating weeds and stuff.

Anyway enuf of the troll bull****
I gave you a hundred chances koi-lo
this newsgroup is for helping fish keepers
it's not for petty flame wars

A flame thread takes *TWO* to burn as I'm sure you already know. Sometimes
it's the WAY people post things more than WHAT they post.

If you can't have a dam conversation without screaming troll left right
and centre..... well you deserve to be in my killfile with all the other
idiots slandering you.
It's a lot of work filtering out the real posts from the crap.

We all have the same problem.

Which is a shame as this was once a hangout of a lot of guru's.
Tis a shame when people let themselves be brought down to the level of
those who seek only to be idiots.

Disagreeing with someone isn't being an idiot. These are discussion boards
after all.

They always beat ya with experience.

Not everyone's experience is the same. My bettas do fine in unfiltered and
unheated jars, bowls, whatever....... :-)

so ya sorry but maybe we meet elsewhere.
plonk

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Theres more than two ways to skin a cat, mate.

"swarvegorilla" wrote in message
u...
Sorry Köi-Lö.... but this person is correct.
I have captured betta in Thailand and Malaysia.
I have seen the biotypes and I have bred (and more important RAISED) both
bubble nesters and mouth brooders.
THEY NEED HEATED TANKS TO PROSPER.
A bit of filtration helps a lot too.
Now if your in the tropics your alright and can get away with a little
bottle.
But for the best results filtration (heck a good vege filter CAN work) and
heating are the go.
I'd like to add that humidity is important as well. Perhaps more important
than people realise.
Betta may endure a fair amount of abuse and they may linger on for longer
at cold temps.
But they are not the same happy active hunter unless they have their warm
water.
I sell so many of these fish. Everyone is always so confident that they
are so easy.
It truely is difficult to make people understand, they only have one
weakness.
And thats little containers with unstable temperature.

Besides betta's in cold water are bloody boring. Half the time ya need to
give them a poke to see if their dead or not.
The same betta in a nice heated, filtered and planted out tank is an
active and infinitely happier fish.
Depends what you want, and sadly most people just want a bunch of red or
green fins suspended in a cup of water.
doesn't do it for me, I like to see in a tank what I have seen in the
wild.
only it's better in a tank.... these things are VERY bird shy hey, very
big on lurking under floating weeds and stuff.

Anyway enuf of the troll bull****
I gave you a hundred chances koi-lo
this newsgroup is for helping fish keepers
it's not for petty flame wars
If you can't have a dam conversation without screaming troll left right
and centre..... well you deserve to be in my killfile with all the other
idiots slandering you.
It's a lot of work filtering out the real posts from the crap.
Which is a shame as this was once a hangout of a lot of guru's.
Tis a shame when people let themselves be brought down to the level of
those who seek only to be idiots.
They always beat ya with experience.
so ya sorry but maybe we meet elsewhere.
plonk

Tynk wrote:
Tynk wrote:
Köi-Lö wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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Finally a good article on Bettas in Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine.
(Koi-Lo...please read it.

Post the article here. I don't get that magazine anymore.

Did you not see the part of about not arguing the points koi-lo, and
that it will only show your ignorance of proper Betta
husbandry....aparently not, as you just did it again. LOL

Read for yourself:
tfhmagazine.com

After reading it, you should no more arguments.
Oh...and the comment how your Bettas never read it...how ridiculous.
Maybe I'll start posting how Goldies are just fine to be kept in a
gallon bowl...
We all know it's not true, but hey..people do it every day.
Just stop arguing. Even when given the proper care in black and white,
you STILL argue it. How stupid!

I checked their website and they still have the June issue up. When
clicking "next month's Issue" it doesn't come up yet.
However, walk into a shop and pick the darn thing up. Pg 86 of the
September issue.
Again, don't bother arguing.
Also, I have NO ignorance when it comes to Bettas. That's quite
obvious.
I also refuse to keep them in horrible conditions such as those tiny,
room temp bowls.
Please stop comparing how a breeder keeps their Bettas. You cannot
compare that situation with a permanent home. The growing fish are in
small quarters for short periods of time (few months) compared to
years.
You're being silly when you try to compare the two.
They are two completely different situations.

I've emailed the editor of TFH magazine and asked why, since it's
August are they still showing June's issue.
I was told:
"We are having departmental changes and the website has been
temporarily placed on hold. We apologize and ask that you bear with us
until we correct that problem."
This came from Marcella Guerrero, circulation assistant.
I have the original if anyone would like it.

I guess even reading printed, valid information wouldn't make a
difference in some people's minds. They aren't open to the fact that
there's a huge difference between *surviving* and *thriving*.
Such a shame for their fish, or any other animal they may have for that
matter.

Köi-Lö wrote:
What do you mean by colder temps? Mine live over 4 years at room temps. We
keep our home at 76F in the winter. Days are warmer when the sun shines in.


Oh good lord my bullshot meter just pegged with this doozie! You keep
your house at 76 degrees!!! That is so abnormal that it reeks of bull
poopoo! It sure does serve this arguement well however...

I guess one could keep bettas in small jars if:

You replace the water twice weekly with pure natural river water
You only feed them select live natural insects flown in from Saigon
You grow naitive dwarf rice plants in the jars
The fish are offered a choice of natural sunlight, filtered sunlight,
or shade

and you keep your house temp at a constant 76 degrees.

yeah, right.

I keep my Koi in a baggie too.


steve

"Tynk" wrote in message
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Tynk wrote:
Tynk wrote:
Köi-Lö wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
ups.com...
Finally a good article on Bettas in Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine.
(Koi-Lo...please read it.

Post the article here. I don't get that magazine anymore.

Did you not see the part of about not arguing the points koi-lo, and
that it will only show your ignorance of proper Betta
husbandry....aparently not, as you just did it again. LOL

Read for yourself:
tfhmagazine.com

After reading it, you should no more arguments.
Oh...and the comment how your Bettas never read it...how ridiculous.
Maybe I'll start posting how Goldies are just fine to be kept in a
gallon bowl...
We all know it's not true, but hey..people do it every day.
Just stop arguing. Even when given the proper care in black and white,
you STILL argue it. How stupid!

I checked their website and they still have the June issue up. When
clicking "next month's Issue" it doesn't come up yet.
However, walk into a shop and pick the darn thing up. Pg 86 of the
September issue.
Again, don't bother arguing.
Also, I have NO ignorance when it comes to Bettas. That's quite
obvious.
I also refuse to keep them in horrible conditions such as those tiny,
room temp bowls.
Please stop comparing how a breeder keeps their Bettas. You cannot
compare that situation with a permanent home. The growing fish are in
small quarters for short periods of time (few months) compared to
years.
You're being silly when you try to compare the two.
They are two completely different situations.

I've emailed the editor of TFH magazine and asked why, since it's
August are they still showing June's issue.
I was told:
"We are having departmental changes and the website has been
temporarily placed on hold. We apologize and ask that you bear with us
until we correct that problem."
This came from Marcella Guerrero, circulation assistant.
I have the original if anyone would like it.

I guess even reading printed, valid information wouldn't make a
difference in some people's minds. They aren't open to the fact that
there's a huge difference between *surviving* and *thriving*.
Such a shame for their fish, or any other animal they may have for that
matter.

Lets keep the flame war going eh Missy. If your so concerned about how
peoplekeep the bettas, stop running your mouth and do something of use. Stop
the breeding and selling of the fish. Your hot air is is getting a tad stale
around here. Your sounding like an old harpy.

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Köi-Lö wrote:
What do you mean by colder temps? Mine live over 4 years at room temps.
We
keep our home at 76F in the winter. Days are warmer when the sun shines
in.

Oh good lord my bullshot meter just pegged with this doozie! You keep
your house at 76 degrees!!!

Why not? Energy isn't expensive here. I'm on the TVA grid. What do you
keep your house at?

That is so abnormal that it reeks of bull
poopoo! It sure does serve this arguement well however...

Since when is 75 or 76F abnormal? I'm talking F, not Celsius. Power isn't
expensive where I live. We also have a wood-burning fireplace and cut our
own wood from our property. If you're too poor to heat your own home that
is unfortunate. On sunny days in winter it is often 79 to 80F in here.
With the dry air it's very comfortable.

I guess one could keep bettas in small jars if:
You replace the water twice weekly with pure natural river water

Right, everyone has a river out their back door. No need to use tapwater
and dechlor anymore. ;-)

You only feed them select live natural insects flown in from Saigon
You grow naitive dwarf rice plants in the jars

You got it that's what some people do I'm sure - along with keeping them in
filtered heated tanks.

The fish are offered a choice of natural sunlight, filtered sunlight,
or shade and you keep your house temp at a constant 76 degrees.

That's the blessing of *central heating.* It's called a heat-pump. It
makes for nice even temperatures year 'round. Here in the USA most people
have central heating. No need to spend the winter shivering in the Southern
USA.

yeah, right.
I keep my Koi in a baggie too.

How nice. :-) You must save a lot of $ that way.


steve
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"Hömer" wrote in message
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Theres more than two ways to skin a cat, mate.
=======================
Not on this NG. ;-) Apparently they also believe no one here in the USA
can afford to heat their homes either. They must either live in a big
northern city where fuel is outrageous, or in a foreign country.
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Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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